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Ripper bass: what sound do you prefer from the 4 way switch?

barend

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Ripper bass: what sound do you prefer from the 4 way switch?
« on: September 27, 2007, 02:12:23 AM »
Hi,

I am new to this forum. I have two Gibson basses: a 1974 Ebony Ripper and a 1978 Maple G3.

My 1974 Ripper just arrived today so I am happy!

I have a question about the 4 way pickup switch:
I think that the sound of position 2 and position 4 are most useful.
In position 1 and 3  the bass sounds very thin and not bassy. I think that is normal? why did they make it like this? because i think these sounds are not useful in a band situation.

And which positions of the 4-way switch do you prefer and why?

doom

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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2007, 10:42:18 AM »
I'm not sure if yours is wired correctly according to the original schematics. I have a fretless Ripper and my favourite positions are 1 (both pu's wired in series) and 3 (both pu's wired in parallell). Position 2 (bridge pup only)  is totally thin and useless sounding for me and position 4 (both pup's parallell and out of phase) is perhaps fun to hear but not really that useful.

barend

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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2007, 03:36:56 PM »
seems like your 1 and 3, and mine 2 and 4 have changed position?

how can I be sure that it is wired correctly in the original setting?...I am not an electronic expert.

jules

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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2007, 04:51:32 AM »
I have to say I always go for position 4 - the roundest fatest sound. Having said that if I was to join a different band it might be more appropriate to try another setting, but the fat sound is my current fave.

Probably followed by pos 1.

barend

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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2007, 08:29:41 AM »
now I am really confused!

on my bass the fattest sounds are position2: a more middy bridge pickup type of sound with a lot of bass too,
and position 4: the fattest sound with lots of bass.

position 1 and 3 sound both too thin and not useful.

Now Doom says that the fattest sounds are position 1 and 3 and that 2 and 4 are thin sounding.
And Jules says the fattest sounds are 1 and 4

So with the original wiring on what positions should be the fattest sound?
and how can I check if the wiring is correct?

jules

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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2007, 05:30:06 PM »
is your 1234 in the order you expect? If you turn the varitone round 1 and 4 will swap places... look at the descriptions of what each setting should do, and find the one that is bridge pickup only. (you can tap the polepices with a screwdriver, you'll hear amplified sound only if the pickup is on)

After that, i'd try adjusting the pickup heights - is one pickup a lot lower? this will mess up 'phase' settings, as an out of phase sound requires a roughly equal volume from each pickup.

I would start from the position that there is a set-up problem before playing with the wiring.

Once you are satisfied that you can't improve the set up, you could examine the wiring, but taking apart rippers can cause static problems if you don't get it back together well, so only do this if you feel you have to

It will be like one of these - Ripper wiring

Ripper bass: what sound do you prefer from the 4 way switch?
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2007, 08:49:01 PM »
A modification I did that I am very pleased with is switching the pickup wires.  This is a very easy mod to do.  Switching the wires allows position 1, 3 and 4 to be the same as the factory setup but isolates the neck pickup in position 2 instead of the bridge pickup.  To my ears the bridge pickup soloed was thin and worthless.  The neck pickup soloed is similar to position 3 (neck and bridge pickups parrallel) but with a little more guts due to less high end.

My favorite sound of the Ripper is either position 2 or 3 with the mid tone at 3 and the high tone at 10.  Position 1 for me is too gritty and not clean enough.  Not that I'm against series configuration, just a series configuration with two humbuckers is a bit much.

barend

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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2007, 08:46:55 AM »
Quote from: jules
is your 1234 in the order you expect? If you turn the varitone round 1 and 4 will swap places...  ]


what do you mean by that? I can not turn the the knob round....I can only put it on the 1,2,3, and 4...?? or do you mean turn the circle on which the number are written? that too is fixed.

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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2007, 10:00:11 AM »
I have checked it again....with a screwdriver...in position 2 only the bridge pickup is working...so I guess the wiring is original because the information says that the brigde pickup soloed is position 2...

so again: only position 2 and 4 are a useful full bass sound....1 and 3 are very thin and not useful at all...

I think it is strange that doom says his favourite positions are 1 and 3, and that bolster says position 3 is his favourite...maybe the wiring on their basses is not original (??)

doom

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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2007, 12:06:06 AM »
Mine has original wiring. Your sound must truly be thin in pos 1 and 3 if you find that pos 2 (bridge pup alone) sounds thicker. I wonder what's wrong with yours since in pos 1 you should have both pup's in series putting out quite a beefy sound.

Ripper bass: what sound do you prefer from the 4 way switch?
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2007, 12:26:36 AM »
What doom said.  Position 1 is the only way to go on my Ripper.  The other 3 positions are not usable in a live rock situation.

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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2007, 04:02:18 AM »
Quote from: barend
so again: only position 2 and 4 are a useful full bass sound....1 and 3 are very thin and not useful at all...


Might be worth waiting for a ripper pickup to come up on ebay, and replace the neck pickup. If it makes no difference at least you'll know your bass is working ok. Or swap your pickups round (they are identical) and see if position 2 and 4 are still your favourites...

You are right it does seem odd

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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2007, 08:43:02 AM »
Quote from: Aussie Mark
What doom said.  Position 1 is the only way to go on my Ripper.  The other 3 positions are not usable in a live rock situation.


thanks for your comments, so my wiring must be wrong then....can you describe the sound from position 1 then?...and from position 3 and 4?...I know it is described on the site, but maybe you can put it in your own words?

I am not suspecting that my bridge pickup is broken, I think that position 1 and 4 are swapped on my bass (4 is the full 'rocky' bass sound).

1-4 switch
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2007, 03:19:46 PM »
Alright, well. I think, personally, that the Ripper was built for some awesome rock and roll. Not anything else. And I love jazz, and classical. In that, I think that while I generally stick to 4 or 1 and 2 aswell, I love all four channels. It seems to go with the the song, I don't see any specific setting as the best. I love having distortion for level 4 for some awesome sustain on the high and mid range, but 2 is favorite for the low, with only some distortion or clean.

Depending on the amp or speaker or whatever you use, I think 1 is just alright, with only the most expensive amps, does 1 REALLY sound like some amazing bass. 3?....well 3 I keep for when I need a good mid to high-mid range, but I don't use it nearly as often as 4, 2, or 1.
I just love it

Ripper bass: what sound do you prefer from the 4 way switch?
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2007, 07:49:45 PM »
The best position is the one not available regularly: Just the unchoked neck pup. I had that customized on my 73/74 Ripper (with all credit to Daniel/Doom for coming up with the idea). N'er looked back, as Brian May would say (in '39).

Funnily enough, my singlecut Ripper prototype does have the "neck pup only" position stock (most notably as pos 1 with pos 2 combining both pups choked, pos 3 being just the neck pup and pos 4 being both pups full unchoked), they obviously only did away with it later upon production.

Uwe

 

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