Vintage Guitar and Bass forum

Epiphone G3

jules

  • *****
  • 3068
    • View Profile
Epiphone G3
« on: June 18, 2007, 02:36:51 AM »
What do you all think to this!
1982 USA GIBSON -- EPIPHONE PROTOTYPE RIPPER BASS "NEW"

an Epiphone G3 more like - whats that all about?
heres the images


Epiphone G3
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2007, 02:42:46 AM »
what the?now that just weird! i kinda like it
ROCK-N-ROLL PIRATE...SKATE PUNK. 72 SB450, 76 RIPPER, 77 G3 GRABBER,92 LPB-1, 75 P-BASS,78 T-40,RAT FUZZ & BAD ATTITUDE

santi

  • ***
  • 133
    • View Profile
Epiphone G3
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2007, 04:30:08 PM »
:shock:  :shock:  :shock:

Epiphone G3
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2007, 07:09:40 PM »
Crazy and Cool. Talk about rare.

mrbass

  • ***
  • 124
    • View Profile
g3
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2007, 12:36:49 PM »
well, does that body belong with that neck?

Dave W

  • ****
  • 433
    • View Profile
Epiphone G3
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2007, 05:28:48 PM »
Very interesting. But it's still a G-3, not some previously unknown design. IMO it's worth a small premium as a prototype, but nowhere near that much.

jules

  • *****
  • 3068
    • View Profile
epiphone USA
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2007, 08:03:29 PM »
what I find most interesting is the logo - Epiphone USA

Epiphones hadn't been produced since '69 in the US. Does the logo suggest that maybe they were considering an American line of Epis?

Perhaps the 'protoype' nature of this was not infact the whole guitar - maybe they were just trying out neck/headstock/logo options, and they used any old body....

I would have thought body variations of the G3 would have been fully tried out in the mid-seventies when the G3 was launched

Anyone else seen an Epiphone neck like this, or a similar G3 body?

Epiphone G3
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2007, 02:18:01 AM »
i belive they also made Epi USA map shaped guitars around the same time.you plug into L.A. knobs are in the desert.
ROCK-N-ROLL PIRATE...SKATE PUNK. 72 SB450, 76 RIPPER, 77 G3 GRABBER,92 LPB-1, 75 P-BASS,78 T-40,RAT FUZZ & BAD ATTITUDE

Epiphone G3
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2007, 02:05:36 PM »
The bass on ebay belongs to me. I have seen a few odd Gibson/epiphone prototype instruments. Living in kalamazoo they sometimes pop up. I also work and help manage a local music store. This bass I found threw a friend of a friend. He was a old timer who needed some cash. I got a few pieces off him. He new all the people who ran gibson. He also played with a local musician/gibson employee Rem Wall. Rem was a somewhat famous around kalamazoo/MI.  in the 1960's-70's. He had a local T.V.  show called "Rem Wall and Green Vally Jamboree Boys".Any way, here is a good example of what Gibson would do. There was a les paul style guitar built by gibson in the mid to late 70's by gibson. I forget the model name, it was alot like a studio .Originally it had the gibson name on the headstock. A friend of mine, who started working at gibson in the early 1960's. Was told to but epiphone headstock vaneers over the Gibson vaneers on the headstock. The guitar was not selling good, so Gibson labeled it as a epiphone to sell it cheeper. If you see one of the these, you can see "gibson" under the epiphone logo. After 20 years the Gibson started to bleed threw. My buddy has told me all kinds of wierd Gibson storys. I showed him this bass, and he remembered it laying around the front office. He also told me that in the late 60's there was a whole rack of 1950's Flying V's sitting in the corner that no one wanted. He could of got them all for $100.00. Hindsite can get you. Gibson did all kinds of crazy stuff. Anyway, this is a cool bass. I have been watching this forum post to try and find real opionions about this bass. I dont know if the price is too high or not. I have nothing to go by. Its the only one. It is 100% factory original.  Its is "just like new". How often do you see a 25+ year old instrument with the plastic sill on the guard and pickup covers. Its a neat piece, I hope I can find it a good home. If you have any questions about it. Please let me know.

jules

  • *****
  • 3068
    • View Profile
Epiphone G3
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2007, 06:28:15 PM »
wow great stories there - and a really interesting bass too. Its true every now and again a bass comes up that calls basic 'Gibson lore' into question....

Quote from: blankstaircase
This bass I found threw a friend of a friend. He was a old timer who needed some cash. I got a few pieces off him.
What was his relationship with Gibson? was he an employee? Perhaps you can get a fuller story from him? I'd love to hear more - especially about why it was an Epiphone rather than a Gibson

Quote from: blankstaircase
There was a les paul style guitar built by gibson in the mid to late 70's by gibson. I forget the model name, it was alot like a studio .Originally it had the gibson name on the headstock. A friend of mine, who started working at gibson in the early 1960's. Was told to but epiphone headstock vaneers over the Gibson vaneers on the headstock. The guitar was not selling good, so Gibson labeled it as a epiphone to sell it cheeper. If you see one of the these, you can see "gibson" under the epiphone logo. After 20 years the Gibson started to bleed threw.


So presumably these will be Epiphones with 'made in USA' and Gibson serial numbers on the back of the headstocks? Were these labelled Epiphone USA, like the bass in question? Another intriguing twist - it would be really interesting to know what this model was and to actually find one

Can I post a few of the images of your bass here - so future readers can see what we're talking about?

Epiphone G3
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2007, 07:32:29 PM »
To answer your questions jules, The guy I got the bass from was not a employee of Gibson guitars. He was a musician that had played with alot of the guys who ran the factory. He told me the plant manager gave him this bass right around the time Gibson was moving to Nashville TN. He really did not know much about the bass, only it was a prototype and Gibson never put it into production. He was a guitar and banjo player. He said he never played it, He put it under the bed and forgot about it. As for the other guitar. That was a Gibson spirit (I called my buddy and ask him, I could not remember the name). But, I have seen a couple of these. The first time I saw one, you could clearly read Gibson under the Epiphone font. I called Pete and he told me the story. And yes they did have Epiphone USA on the headstock. Hope that helps, B.

Epiphone G3
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2007, 07:33:36 PM »
Go ahead and post the pics if you like. If you cannot get them off ebay, I can send you a few threw email. Thanks, B.

jules

  • *****
  • 3068
    • View Profile
spirit
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2007, 01:44:05 PM »
There is a Epiphone spirit, and a Gibson spirit on ebay now - and just like your B450, the Epiphone has the Epiphone USA decal. Exactly the same.

Likewise they have the made in USA and Gibson serial number. So I suppose this is one of the re-badged Gibsons?

Looks like a fine guitar for the money (both Epi and Gibson are cheap) - i'm tempted myself!

jules

  • *****
  • 3068
    • View Profile
G3 / B450
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2007, 02:30:00 PM »
further thoughts on this neck -

this neck was stamped on Fri Oct 29th 1982, and is another 3-piece neck

Do you remember we were talking about the 3-piece necks on G3s here  - the ones in that thread were from Oct 25th and Nov 16th - '82. A few days before and a couple weeks later.

It looks as if they were contemplating sending the unsold G3 bodies two ways - with a flashy flamed neck and a new colour - and potentially as a US-built Epi.

I wonder when this body was made - it could even have been a left over from an earlier mock-up - I can't see that they would have been planning to build a range of Epis so similar to the G3, yet requiring new bodies to be built - if they were stuck with parts they couldn't sell it would have made far more sense to simply rebadge the G3s they had - just like they had done with the Spirit.

Epiphone G3
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2007, 05:14:50 AM »
I'll be honest, i dont like the look of the body at all. looks like somone just cut off the horn to me, i could see why gibson didnt put it out.  :roll:
Aint this great!!!!

 

Recent posts on vintage guitar and bass

1970 Rosetti Epiphone guitar catalogScan of 1970 Epiphone guitar catalogue produced by Rosetti for the UK market. Undated but most likely from mid-late 1970, this was the first UK catalogue to show the new range of Japanese (Matsumoku) Epiphone guitars. Interestingly, these pages show the Epiphone solid bodies with a single-sided Fender-style headstock layout - a feature quickly replaced with a typical two-sided Epiphone headstock almost immediately. Epiphone electric guitars: 9520, 9525; bass guitars: 9521, 9526; acoustic guitars: 6730, 6830, 6834
1971 A World of Guitars by Rosetti catalogueScan of 1971 Rosetti catalogue (UK) featuring guitars from from numerous manufacturers worldwide: guitars by Epiphone, Hagstrom, Levin, Hoyer, Egmond, Eros, Moridaira, Kiso-Suzuki, Schaller, and Tatra.
1971 Selmer guitar catalogueScan of 1971 Selmer guitar catalogue showing the range of electric and acoustic guitars distributed by the company: guitars by Gibson, Yamaha, Selmer, Hofner and Suzuki. 1960s Selmer had always placed Hofner at the front end of their catalogues, no doubt these were the better sellers - but into the 1970s Hofner were slipping somewhat and only appear at the tail end of this publication, pride of place going to Gibson, and to a lesser extent Yamaha. In fact this is the last Selmer catalogue to include the many Hofner hollow bodies (Committee, President, Senator etc) that had defined the companies output for so many years - to be replaced in the 1972 catalogue by generic solid body 'copies' of Gibson and Fender models. A number of new Gibson models are included for the first time: the SG-100 and SG-200 six string guitars and the SB-300 and SB-400 basses.
1968 Selmer guitar catalogueScan of 1968/1969 Selmer guitar catalogue (printed July 1968), showing the entire range of electric and acoustic guitars distributed by the company: guitars by Hofner, Gibson, Selmer and Giannini. Selmer were the exclusive United Kingdom distributors of Hofner and Gibson at the time, and this catalogue contains a total of 18 electric guitars, 7 bass guitars, 37 acoustics, and 2 Hawaiian guitars - all produced outside the UK and imported by Selmer, with UK prices included in guineas. This catalogue saw the (re-)introduction of the late sixties Gibson Les Paul Custom and Les Paul Standard (see page 69) and the short-lived Hofner Club 70. Other electric models include: HOFNER ELECTRICS: Committee, Verithin 66, Ambassador, President, Senator, Galaxie, HOFNER BASSES: Violin bass, Verithin bass, Senator bass, Professional bass GIBSON ELECTRICS: Barney Kessel, ES-330TD, ES-335TD, ES-345TD, ES-175D, ES-125CD, SG Standard, SG Junior, SG Special GIBSON BASSES: EB-0, EB-2, EB-3 - plus a LOT of acoustics branded Gibson, Hofner, Selmer and Giannini
1961 Hofner Colorama IHofner Colorama was the name UK distributor Selmer gave to a series of solid and semi-solid guitars built by Hofner for distribution in the UK. The construction and specifications of the guitars varied over the period of production, but by 1961 it was a totally solid, double cutaway instrument, with a set neck, translucent cherry finish, six-in-a-row headstock, and Hofner Diamond logo pickups. Available as a single or dual pickup guitar, this sngle pickup version would have been sold in mainland Europe as the Hofner 161.
1971 Commodore N25 (Matsumoku)Commodore was a brand applied to a series of guitars produced in Japan at the well-respected Matsumoku plant from the late 1960s to the mid 1970s - and sold primarily (perhaps exclusively?) in the United Kingdom. The models bearing the Commodore name were all guitars available from different distributors with different branding. Although there may have been some minor changes in appointments (specifically headstock branding) most had the same basic bodies, hardware and construction. Equivalent models to the Commodore N25 (and this is by no means an exhaustive list) include the Aria 5102T, Conrad 5102T(?), Electra 2221, Lyle 5102T, Ventura V-1001, Univox Coily - and most famously the Epiphone 5102T / Epiphone EA-250.
1960 Hofner Colorama IIThe Hofner Colorama was the name given by Selmer to a series of solid (and semi-solid) body Hofner guitars distributed in the United Kingdom between 1958 and 1965. The Colorama name actually applied to some quite different guitars over the period, but in 1960 it was a very light, semi-solid, set necked guitar with one (Colorama I) or two (Colorama II, as seen here) Toaster pickups. Although an entry-level guitar, it was very well-built, and a fine playing guitar; certainly a step up (at least in terms of craftsmanship) from many of the Colorama guitars that would follow, and a good deal of the guitars available in Britain circa 1960.
1971 Epiphone 1820 (ET-280) bassBy the end of the 1960s, a decision had been made to move Epiphone guitar production from the USA (at the Kalamazoo plant where Gibson guitars were made), to Matsumoto in Japan, creating a line of guitars and basses significantly less expensive than the USA-built models (actually less than half the price). The Matsumoku factory had been producing guitars for export for some time, but the 1820 bass (alongside a number of guitar models and the 5120 electric acoustic bass) were the first Epiphone models to be made there. These new Epiphones were based on existing Matsumoku guitars, sharing body shapes, and hardware, but the Epiphone line was somewhat upgraded, with inlaid logos and a 2x2 peghead configuration. Over the course of the 70s, the Japanese output improved dramatically, and in many ways these early 70s models are a low point for the brand. Having said this, there are a lot worse guitars out there, and as well as being historically important, the 1820 bass can certainly provide the goods when required.
1981 Gibson MarauderProduction of Bill Lawrence's Gibson Marauder began in 1974, with production peaking in 1978. But by 1980 the model was officially discontinued, though very small numbers slipped out as late as spring 1981. Over 7000 examples shipped between 1974 and 1979, and although no totals are available for 1980 and 1981, it is unlikely production reached three figures in either of these years. These final Marauders were all assembled at the Gibson Nashville plant, and had some nice features not available through the later years of production, such as a rosewood fretboard, and in this case, an opaque 'Devil Red' finish. It's a great looking and fine playing guitar!