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I got an EB Today & Don't Have A Clue What It Is

I got an EB Today & Don't Have A Clue What It Is
« on: March 23, 2007, 06:40:16 PM »
I got an EB today. Guy said 1960, but it's cherry red with split headstock and no handrest. I'm thinking 1969 but I can't read the pots as they've been sottered madly. The serial number is 928484.

Tried to learn on a single pick up EB half my life ago but sold it so my guy could get his dream strat. Finally 24 years later I get another even better one! I'm such a lucky girl!

The pick ups look wrong for a 1969 so now I'm really confused.


I'd appreciate any help you folks can give. It plays so sweet!

 I'll be needing some parts if any of you have them. I want the cover for the top of the truss rod, back cover, dial bottom...but first I gotta figure out what type and year this sucker is (hopefully with your help!)

Thank you all in advance

Slot head
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2007, 06:53:40 PM »
Really nice bass you have

69-71 EB-3 transition  slothead
Look here

https://www.flyguitars.com/gibson/bass/1971gibsonEB3L.php
1970 bass catalogue, page 3

I notice Jule's 71 has Gibson written on his mudbucker cover, when my slot head does not. I always thought they were made from 69-70 transitioning the 60's version to the fat bodied maple neck 70's version?

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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2007, 11:17:29 PM »
No "Gibson" on the cover my 71 EB-0L, but I've seen some with, some without during that era.

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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2007, 12:16:46 AM »
Hi Uncle, and welcome

Yeah thats a very nice bass indeed. If its a 69, it will be very late 69, as the vast majority from that year were more like this
https://www.flyguitars.com/gibson/bass/1969gibsonEB3.php


Does yours have Made in USA on the back of the headstock? My oldest split didn't (rare in itself) but most do. (What do we mean by 69 anyway? the day it was started? the day it was finished? the day it was stamped? the day it was shipped?  :roll:  I think mine was started, and possibly stamped in 69, yet assembled and shipped in early 70 )

The truss cover for this one (only split headstocks have this) has an engraved EB3 on it

You can buy one http://here

I think this guy makes them - he does an EB3 one - technically it should not have the white edge - I'm pretty sure he'll do that for you if you want it to be technically correct - the white edges do look nicer though.....

I've seen 71 split headstocks, and 72 un-splits with the Gibson logo on the pickups. Rumblekats 71 split has them too, but I haven't got round to posting the images on the site yet

Hope you enjoy it!
Jules

I got an EB Today & Don't Have A Clue What It Is
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2007, 01:17:14 AM »
Sounds like she's a 70 then. Kind of disappointing ~ when I freaked and ran out of the music store with her she was suppose to b a 60. Oh well. Haven't paid for it yet.

 Gonna see my Luthier and ask about rebreaking and correctly restoring the neck. He loves to do that stuff. Has a frozen pot too and various little plates need replacing. I think $400 is maybe too much for this guitar. Still thinking about whether we'll really buy it. Kind of depends on how much restoration would run.... Once it' been restored it'll be worth more but won't ever have the 'book' value. What do you folks think? I kind of want to restore it just to save the bass especially if this is a long neck.

I really want a EB-6. Wonder if you can stick a whammy on a EB  :?:

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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2007, 02:35:53 PM »
I'd pay $400 for it........ parts are worth that alone

Quote from: Uncle_Jeffrey
Gonna see my Luthier and ask about rebreaking and correctly restoring the neck.

whats wrong with the neck? is it cracked?


Quote from: Uncle_Jeffrey
I kind of want to restore it just to save the bass especially if this is a long neck..

this is a short scale bass - the bridge is nearer the edge on the long scales

heres a pic of a short and long side by side


IN RE: whats wrong ith the neck?
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2007, 09:06:01 PM »
It was snapped in two strarting at about the 3rd fret. Broke in a V shape down to about the 5th and some one 'restored' it.

It needs to be re-broken (AAAGH!) and put together correctly.

The back of the neck was painted black with a V at either end. They tried whoever they were, but they certainly did no succeed inf fixing it. Crunchy on the back and difficult to slide your hand.

 It bows at the top half and theres room for my thumb under the strings at the body end.

I learned on an accoustic, so to me this is almost playable as it sits (joke, joke)  .  I've played it already, har to tell really with my real amp being 85 miles away, my cord shorting out and the strings on this sucker are probably the original set. I remembr what my EB3 sounded like 25 years ago so I figure it's the same thing. I can't wait to hear it.

Those pictures of the two EB's are droolable.

Here's a picture of the Gibson's we have so far :

 

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