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Accurate dating (EB3)

Accurate dating (EB3)
« on: March 16, 2007, 09:54:10 PM »
Hi to all you forum users. A new user here. Can anyone tell me how to accurately date my EB3. I have owned it for 23 years and when I bought it I was told it was a 1964 model. Sorry I don't have any photos yet. The serial no: is 198498. It also has the damper at the bridge and still has the 4 position pup switch. Any help appreciated.
P.S will try to get some photos asap.
Willie.

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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2007, 11:03:31 PM »
Hi Willie, and welcome to the forum

the serial number suggests 1963 or 1964, depending on which source you refer to.

Feature-wise both are similar, the only real difference is the position of the headstock crown inlay. 63s typically have these higher up the headstock, whereas 64s have it in the middle of the 4 tuning pegs. The exact date of changeover is unknown, and there was probably a period where both styles were being shipped

I suspect the change occured late 1963

It might also be worth looking at the potentiometer codes - which give the date of pot manufacture to the week. Of course the bass body may have been made and stamped before the pots were, but, unlike the late seventies when EB basses were not selling well, this was probably not the case at this time. In many ways, your pot codes will give a good idea of the age of your bass

Post some pics if you can - its always good to check out old EB3s

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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2007, 11:26:28 PM »
Thanks for your reply Jules. I shall take your advice and checkout those pot codes, and I will do my best to get some photos on as soon as possible. I just checked the headstock crown logo and it's in the upper position as you mention.
Willie.

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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2007, 09:21:56 PM »
Hi Jules I only managed to get the code from one of the pots.
I think it reads: 1053500  AT 1376344. Hope this helps. I suspect it may have been re-wired at some point, but not whilst it's been in my ownership. Still working on the photos.
Willie.

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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2007, 10:04:05 PM »
willie - 1376344 tells you that the pot was made on the 44th week of 1963.

This sort of confirms a late 63 or early 64 date

Even with a rewire, people generally use the same pots unless they are malfunctioning

lets see a pic

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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2007, 10:21:18 PM »
Thanks thunderbird. Am working on the photos. This week for definite. I promise. If I can get the camera to work. Having a software problem but hope to borrow a mates camera tomorrow.
Willie.

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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2007, 12:49:22 AM »
Quote from: chapmanbilly
it reads: 1053500  AT 1376344


thunderbird is correct - 44th week of 1963.

Furthermore

1053 is part of the part numberCBA-811-1053 - perhaps the rest is under solder? they didn't always identical prefixes anyway

500k resistance
AT Audio Taper

137 signifies the pot was made by CTS (Chicago Telephone Supply), with 6344 being the date

You will probably have two pots with this part number, and two with part number CBA-811-1831. Dates will probably be around the same ballpark

Jules

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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2007, 10:47:45 PM »
I have some pics of my EB3 if someone can tell me how to post them on this forum I shall. Thanks.

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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2007, 05:40:24 PM »
Hope I've managed to get this right. Here goes.
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Try clicking on the image for a full screen shot.

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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2007, 11:34:22 PM »
Wow, thats really nice, and in great condition too

Definately late 63, or very early 64. The crown logo on the headstock is higher up until late 63 - early 64 - yours must have been one of the last like this. After this it was situated more centrally on the headstock

Very nice indeed :!:

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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2007, 11:59:11 PM »
The only thing about it is the screws on the scratch plate etc have been replaced. Is it possible to get some originals? Does anyone on the forums have such a thing?

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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2007, 12:32:07 AM »
Yeah, I noticed that. You may well get some on ebay.

I've not really needed that many, but where I have I just buy modern day pickguard screws and consider (but never actually get to it) aging them a bit

apparently you can age them like this
nickel - expose them to acid fumes (muriatic)
chrome - scratch them up and put them in salt water for a while

Like I said, i've never quite got to it...... If you do try the aging root, i'd like to know how you get on

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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2007, 10:53:20 AM »
I'll see. Might just put new screws in it. Been in it's present condition for last 23 years. keep promising to do something about it but never got round to yet.(Still thinking about it) I have been thinking about putting it up for sale.(can't decide if I can bear to part with it.) How much would it's present condition affect the value?

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« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2007, 02:29:42 PM »
its in great condition - the finish hasn't faded much - so you should get a good price. No one will worry about the screws being wrong particularly.

You could put it on ebay and let the market decide - probably best to watch ebay for a few months and see what similar models go for.

With a guitar like this you can start it low and sell it straight away - anyones guess what it will go for, but somewhere between $1000 - $2500 depending on who's got the money, how well you display it, your feedback rating, how many identical basses are up that week etc

Or you can list it at a high buy it now. - it probably won't sell the first 5 times you list it, but should do eventually.

You can always take it to a reputable vintage dealer to sell for you on consignment (they take a cut, but will get a good price)

Or just post it in various forums as for sale, and see who makes you an offer! My for sale forum is here

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« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2007, 03:04:28 PM »
Thanks for your input Jules. I'm not a big fan of ebay. Too much faffing about for my liking. Too many fly guys on it as well. plus ebay take a cut of your sale fee. I like the idea of putting it on a forum and see where we go from there. I suppose I'll have to decide soon if I want to sell it. This one's only the second guitar I've ever owned. Like part of the family.

 

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