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A Pointy Ripper with an Ash body?

A Pointy Ripper with an Ash body?
« on: March 03, 2007, 04:29:36 AM »
I'd been wanting a Ripper like the one I almost bought a few years ago (it's okay, it's still in the family).

So I just got one for cheap-ish on Ebay and it's a pointy one. I didn't even know there was such a thing and it's kinda buggin me. I'm almost positive it's an ash body because it seems too light to be maple and has too much grain to be alder. Yep, I know the catalog only listed maple or alder, but I've been playing Fenders long enough to tell the difference. There's a huge belt-buckle scar that exposed the wood and it feels just like a Louisville Slugger (Ash!)

Can someone give me a clue on the year? Six digit s/n starting with a 9, pickup screws in the center, natural finish, maple fingerboard. What else?

I just got it and haven't even plugged it in yet so if the sound blows me away I'll keep it.

But I would like to know which years had the rounded horns.
As a matter of fact, if any one has a maple bodied Ripper that's too heavy for them I might be interested in a trade...

I'll post pictures soon.
Thanks,

jules

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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2007, 02:13:33 PM »
Hi Binky, and welcome to the forum

The early rounded horn rippers were 73-74. There may be a few 75s but dating rippers of this period is really difficult. It seems they made a lot of them, kept really bad records with serial numbers and shipped them over a period of time. I suspect yours is a '75 or '76 - I have a pointy horn ripper with a sn starting 9 , that I have assumed to be a 76 - but no one can really pin these down much more accurately.

If you look at the pot codes (not really worth the effort to be honest) you may find out that the pots were made in '76, but the actual body and neck could still be a '75, that was assembled later....

As to whether it is ash - I don't know - never heard of an ash one, but with Gibson the exception is the rule......

Apparently swamp ash varies in weight hugely, I can give you the weight of an alder and a maple ripper - if yours is significantly* different (there will be some natural variation from bass to bass anyway) it may suggest ash

- both of these are the pointy type ripper - the rounded ones are heavier

alder - 4.2kg
maple - 4.7kg

(these weights are the complete basses including bridge cover)

* I am not sure how much natural variation there is - anyone care to weigh their rippers? post here....

A Pointy Ripper with an Ash body?
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2007, 02:31:18 PM »
i dont remember gibson ever using ash for anything.i wish they did,great tone wood .i have a swamp ash P-bass that sounds amazing.if Louisville sluggers are ash how come no one's ever made an ash neck?
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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2007, 03:25:48 PM »
Why do you think it is ash?

ash should have huge open grain patterns like oak

Pointy ones are maple and round horned ones I believe were alder?

If maple it should be heavy as well.

Pics?

Re: Maple
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2007, 10:50:29 PM »
Quote from: Redbird
Why do you think it is ash?

ash should have huge open grain patterns like oak

Pointy ones are maple and round horned ones I believe were alder?

If maple it should be heavy as well.

Pics?


For the answer to the first sentence, see the second sentence.
Alder has almost no grain pattern at all, this one most definitely has grain and it's not maple.
According to what I've read on this site, the maple are the round ones and the alder are pointy.
Pictures to come soon.

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Re: Maple
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2007, 08:47:32 AM »
Quote from: Binky Griptite
For the answer to the first sentence, see the second sentence.
Alder has almost no grain pattern at all, this one most definitely has grain and it's not maple.
According to what I've read on this site, the maple are the round ones and the alder are pointy.
Pictures to come soon.

You're quite mistaken about alder. It has a pronounced grain pattern, but it's a closed grain wood, where ash is open grained.

AFAIK Gibson never used ash.

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Re: Maple
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2007, 02:32:37 PM »
Quote from: Binky Griptite
According to what I've read on this site, the maple are the round ones and the alder are pointy.


partially right....  The rounded ones were indeed maple, the middle period were alder, and the later ones were maple again (still pointy). There was probably a certain amount of crossover

Perhaps some early pointy ones were maple too  - features didn't necessarily change at once.

Its true Gibson are not known for using ash, however in the early seventies Gibson were trying new ideas in an attempt to compete with Fender, and other manufacturers in the bass market.

Remember Gibson had previously only used mahogany for solid-bodies - the Grabbers and G3s of the same time were the first maple, and bolt-ons for Gibson, and the first alder (SBs) were only a couple years behind.

Even though Gibson didn't have a production bass in ash, you can bet they will have at least tried it out here and there.....  even just to disuade themselves from using it. These mock ups were generally not meant for sale, but some did get out. When they went from maple to alder in 75/76, did they consider other fender-like alternatives?

I have to say I am no grain expert - wood is so variable its really hard (for me at least) to tell just by looks, but I would like to see a pic and I'd like to know the weight of this bass in kg

A Pointy Ripper with an Ash body?
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2007, 04:12:44 PM »
Yeah, this has been puzzling me for days. After looking and looking, I still say it does not look like any piece of alder I've ever seen before, but it doesn't exactly look like ash either. Perhaps it was cut differently or something to bring the grain out. Still haven't been able to plug it in yet, but if it stays the 4 position switch will definitely go. I think they are much better with a simple 3-way switch.
Cheers

A Pointy Ripper with an Ash body?
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2007, 12:54:22 AM »
what does the fourth position do?
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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2007, 12:22:53 PM »
Ash & Alder grain pattern can look similair but ash has open grain.


Look here at Warmoth wood descriptions.

http://www.warmoth.com/bass/options/opt ... ywoods.cfm

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Re: ASH/ALDER
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2007, 02:35:23 PM »
Quote from: Redbird
Look here at Warmoth wood descriptions.


great link john - i like the tone-o-meter!

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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2007, 02:37:46 PM »
Quote from: reaper attack
what does the fourth position do?


see https://www.flyguitars.com/gibson/bass/Ripper_controls.php for a description of the controls

I think he means he will have a switch that is either front pickup, back pickup or both.....

Re: ASH/ALDER
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2007, 05:50:16 PM »
Quote from: Redbird


Look here at Warmoth wood descriptions.

http://www.warmoth.com/bass/options/opt ... ywoods.cfm


Guess that settles it then, it is alder.
Maybe some of the bodies I was told were alder were really basswood, cause I've never seen alder with grain like the example on the warmoth site.
Of course I'd still rather have a rounded maple Ripper...
Thanks

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« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2007, 01:13:33 AM »
That Warmoth pic is a very good representation of a plank of alder.

Being close grained, the pores don't contrast as much when finished like ash or oak. But there's plenty of grain.

BTW, Jules, I have seen a rounded alder example with a ''75 serial number.

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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2007, 03:51:00 AM »
Quote from: Dave W
BTW, Jules, I have seen a rounded alder example with a ''75 serial number.


really - that is interesting Dave. Was it in Natural? there are some nice cherry sunburst rounded rippers out there - not many, and i'm most certainly after one!

 

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