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gibson ripper help

gibson ripper help
« on: January 08, 2007, 08:23:28 PM »
i have 1976 gibson ripper bass.
i need some help,
it has the 4 way switch that is mark etched on the pickguard, it has the 3 screw pick up mounts, it has the metal plate on the back for string through,
but it weights over 10lbs, so i think it is a maple body, but in in 1976 i thought the wood used was alder!

jules

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Dating a mid seventies Gibson Ripper
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2007, 04:03:04 AM »
Hi,

and welcome to the forum. Sounds like a maple bass. There is natural variation in weight, depending on wood density, but maple Rippers are typically over 10lbs

How sure are you it is a '76?

First think about this - what does a guitars date mean?  The date the number was allocated? The date the bass was due to be shipped? The date according to the next number irrespective of the actual date?
Stamped numbers are applied during construction BEFORE finishing, Decals are applied afterwards. Immediately afterwards? Who knows? Not Gibson.......

Guitars can take a long time to build, and can sit around for sometime before shipping. So a 1976-built bass might not be shipped until 1977, or potentially later still, depending on demand. Fretless instruments and custom colours often display more anomalies that regular models, as they are likely to sit around for longer.

Also the changes I mention on the site have to be considered as generalisations - probably no change happens at midnight on Dec 31st

As I mention in the text, the metal backplate/varitone numbering changed from late 76 to early 77, but changes are usually gradual. Once a change is introduced, very often pre-change models are still being shipped.

The shipping figures refer to shipping. So a guitar built in 76, but shipped in 77 should theoretically be listed in the 1977 figures. The '75 catalogue says alder, but shipping figures only specify wood type for natural finishes (natural satin = alder, maple gloss= maple) - it could be that the first run of maple bodies in late 76 were all coloured and are therefore not differentiated in the shipping figures

Lastly there are errors in all of the available figures. Record keeping was terrible back then, and most of this data has been calculated by various people, and there are confirmed errors here and there. Gibson have no record (or at least claim to have no record) of any of this.

In all probabilty yours is late 76, early 77, about the time maple bodies were reintroduced, and i'm sorry to say you won't get much more accurate than that.......... Console yourself in the knowledge that you have a GREAT bass!

Jules

Re: Dating a mid seventies Gibson Ripper
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2007, 07:00:02 PM »
Quote from: jules

Stamped numbers are applied during construction BEFORE finishing, Decals are applied afterwards. Immediately afterwards? Who knows? Not Gibson.......


I was under the impression that the decal was on top of the colour coat, but under the clear coat (so applied during finishing).

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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2007, 12:00:13 AM »
Good point Jake

yeah there is a clear coat over the decal, but i'm not sure that it is under all the top coats (ie the sticker could be applied and a localised topcoat added)

I have considered this - one of my guitars looks like the top portion of the headstock has another layer than the rest. Its really hard to be sure and I certainly wouldn't put money on it either way

And of course it may not be the same with every decal applied - if a shipment was being made ready for immediate shipping, it would probably be added quite quickly. If it was made to be shipped sometime in the future, it could be different

We really need a ex-Gibson employee (or several)  to stumble upon this discussion and clarify!

 

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