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Fender Bassman '59 Re-Issue amp to use with my '72 EBO bass

Fender Bassman '59 Re-Issue amp to use with my '72 EBO bass
« on: December 18, 2006, 01:28:57 PM »
Hi,
Does anyone have any experience of using the Fender Bassman '59 Re-issue amp, particularly as a bass amp mainly for home or small venue use ?  I know a lot of guitarists use it, but I'm not sure how it stands up as a bass amp. I will be using it with my EBO bass & Fender Jazz bass and need a relatively small, light weight combo unit.
 Also, I might have a spare, genuine Gibson EBO bass case available after Xmas - if anyone's interested, please let me know via this site with a contact number/email address. Thank you.

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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2006, 03:22:30 PM »
sorry can't help with that amp (I have a '72 bassman head, that I love)

What year is the case? I have several uncased EBs - various ages

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Fender Bassman '59 Re-Issue amp to use with my '72 EBO bass
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2006, 05:38:08 AM »
Well.....

It was designed as a bass amp, and to that end you could plug a bass into it and it would actually function like a 59 Bassman amp did way back when.  But as a bass amplifier they BLOW.  I have played a bass through an original 59 Bassman.  The RI is the same but a bit tighter/harder with the solid state rectifier.  If you plugged in and mic'ed for a recording it would do fine.  Or for a small acoustic club/pub gig it would work fine to fair, providing it's all acoustic guitar and fiddles and concertinas, and the bass was the only thing amplified.  But as a bass amp there are loads of better choices, especially if you are going to plug an EB0 into it, which will probably shred the cones and distort the living hell out of it.  The sad thing is that there were better bass amps back in the 50s, with Ampegs coming to mind. The Fender circuit was a great tube guitar circuit and that is why Marshall lifted it as well, but it was not either a loud or clean/tight amp, which you would want for bass.

If you got one for free, and have a small - very small - gig, then see what happens, and have fun.  If you have a credit card with a bit of room, do yourself and the 59 Bassman RI a favor and buy a modern small bass rig.  Getting a small 100w solid state rig with RCA output/input jacks is easy these days and will do what you are talking about.  You could get up to 300w and have a rig that will do anything you could possibly run into (like a guitarist with a Marshall) and still lug it around in the back seat of a regular car.

Good luck!
boom

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« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2006, 11:35:22 AM »
Many thanks for your responses.  Firstly, I have two EBO cases (both genuine Gibson), but the oldest one is the one I got with my '72 EBO when I bought her in 1984, so assuming it's the original case & I think it is, it's a '72. However, I also bought another one a few years ago, which is brand new and unused, just as a spare and because they so rarely come up for sale, so ideally I guess I'm talking about selling the new one. not sure on price, but please contact me if interested.

Re the '59 Bassman  - based on your very interesting and detailed comments, I will NOT be buying one now ! Thank you - much appreciated - I will look for another combo, maybe Ashdown ?

Thanks
Steve

Ashdown good choice
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2006, 06:36:37 PM »
a 5:15 combo for small gigs, a Mag with 4x10's would cover a LOT of territory..both great choices.

give the guitar player the bassman..then run for cover when he cranks it.

BASS AMPS.......my lonnngggg suit
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2006, 09:18:18 AM »
AMPS AMPS AMPS.....FIRST QUESTION IS WHAT WILL THE GIG NEED.  THIS IS REALLY VITAL, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A HUGE CIVIC CENTER AND A LOCAL PUB IS THOUNSANDS OF $$$$ AND A HERNIA TOTING THE BEAST AROUND.  SEE THE DVD OF CREAM LIVE, THE 2005-6 REUNION TOUR. JACK BRUCE IS MY FAVORITE LOUD BASSIST.  LOUD IS SPELLED ALL HARTKE RIG WITH SOME 6 OR SO 15" SPEAKERS, AND 16 OR SO 12" SPEAKERS.  POWERED BY NUMEROUS HARTKE AMPS.  THIS IS HOW YOUR TEAR THE HOUSE DOWN WITH THE BASS SPECTRUM.   TRACE ELLIOT IN THIS LARGE ARRAY WOULD DO IT TOO, OR FENDER, OR AMPEG.  BUT YOUR PLAYING THE LOCAL CLUB OR THE ANIMAL CIRCUIT,(MOOSE, ELK, AMERICAN LEGION,ETC), A BIG HALL YOU WANT 4 12" SPEAKERS OVER 1 15" WITH 300-500 WATTS AT 8 OHMS.  IT IS A SMALL HALL OR JAZZ CLUB JUST A 2-10" SPEAKER RIG WITH 150 WATTS WILL DO IT.  I USE A TRACE ELLIOT WITH A SINGLE 10" SPEAKER.  BASS IN ONE HAND AND GUITAR IN THE OTHER, I AM ON THE ROAD. YOU COULD BUY AMPEG GEAR TO FILL THESE NEEDS, BUT YOU WILL SPEND BIG MONEY.  THE TRACE ELLIOT IS PRICY TOO.  I PLAY A HARTKE 2-15" WITH HARTKE AMP TO DRIVE IT FOR MED-LARGE SIZE HALLS. I AM WITH A GOSPEL BAND HOWEVER NOT THE ROLLING STONES.  GALLIEN-KRUEGER AMPS ARE GREAT.  IF I COULD GET THE GALLIEN-KRUEGER 700 WITH THE 2-15" HARTKE AND 2-12" HARTKE I WOULD BE MAKING THIS LITTLE EB-3 SING. MOST OF THE CRITERIA FOR THESE CHOICES IS WHAT THE PREVOUS WRITER SPOKE OF. IT IS THE TIGHTNESS OF THE SOUND.  GOOD SPEAKERS ARE WORTH THE MONEY PAID, A FEW GOOD SPEAKERS WILL OUT PERFORM MANY CHEAP ONES.  GOOD SPEAKERS IMHO HAVE LARGER VOICE COIL, (THAT ROUND THING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SPEAKER CONE) AND A HEAVY AND IMPREGNATED PAPER SPEAKER CONE.  THE IDEA HERE IS THAT THE CONE WILL VIBRATE THAT LOW B NOTE AND NOT RIP OFF THE ALUMINUM FRAME AT THE MAX WATTS THE SPEAKER IS RATED FOR. TO MAKE THAT SPEAKER CONE VIBRATE THAT HARD NEEDS AN AMP THAT HAS HEAD ROOM.  HEADROOM MEANS IT HAS MORE POWER THAN NEEDED TO MAX THE SPEAKERS. RULE OF THUMB IS THE MAX OF THE SPEAKERS SAY 500 WATTS, IS 75% WHAT THE AMP IS CAPABLE OF PUTTING OUT(AT THE CORRECT OHMS FIGURE). (GET A BOOK AND A GURU AND LEARN OHMS!!!) SPEAKER AND AMP MUST MUST MUST MUST WORK TOGETHER. HAVE FUN, PLAY LOUD.  PZ  P.S. CHECK ONLINE FOR 'B'STOCK EQUIPMENT, OR BLEMISHED, GREAT SAVINGS FROM THE MANUFACTURER AND YOU ARE GOING TO DENT IT ANYWAY. PZ
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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2006, 10:46:07 AM »
Thanks PZ for taking the trouble to reply - I've learnt something - much appreciated. Steve

 

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