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Gibson The Ripper Ebony fretless 1976? Prototype?

Gibson The Ripper Ebony fretless 1976? Prototype?
« on: August 15, 2006, 10:48:06 PM »
Hello all! I'm new to this board, I like to share this one with you.
I got this Ripper in december 2005 and emailed Jules about it.
He told me the bass is interesting, it has some distinctive features from different periods.
If you use the following link, you'll find some detailed pictures of these features:
http://www.decoda.net/FCBASS/index_bestanden/Ripperdetails.htm

The serial number is:450090
I can read two pots: 137755x and 1377606

Here are some general pics.:


Any thoughts?

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Gibson The Ripper Ebony fretless 1976? Prototype?
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2006, 09:54:18 AM »
Hi' FC! I have a 1978 ebony Ripper fretless. Nice basses. I don't know what features are we looking at? I have'nt managed to figure out this quiz. :oops:

Gibson The Ripper Ebony fretless 1976? Prototype?
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2006, 12:41:54 PM »
Hello, Thanx for the reply!
The body routing seems to be retrofitted for the 'new' 3 bolt pickups. The serial # stamp is in the old style. The stringsplate on the back suggest it was made in '77
About the body routing Jules said:
"It is unlikely (although not impossible) that this happened at the factory - particularly as the edges seem to have been damaged in the process. If Gibson did do it, it could have been to use up odd stock, or as some form of demonstration or test - the new route shape came in pretty quickly. "
The serial number of this bass is 450090 The pot numbers are 137 75 5x and137 76 06 on the third pot the number is covered with solder.
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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2006, 01:34:24 AM »
Aah, now I see. I was'nt aware of what the body routing looks like but I should have noticed the three screw pickups. I would in that case think that it is indeed a 1976 model someone bought used without electronics and string plate. Then this someone managed to buy a pickguard with the later era pickups, did the routing along with that string plate. Voila, a Ripper resurrected and now you're the happy owner of it.

Gibson The Ripper Ebony fretless 1976? Prototype?
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2006, 07:39:35 AM »
The paint in the holes don't seem to be put on afterwards, this would mean that if the pick guard was fitted later, the same person also did a complete refinish (or else I would have seen a difference in colour/paint right?) And would it be easy to get a new Gibson decal? Mine does seem to be original...
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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2006, 01:38:19 AM »
hi, sorry to take so long to join in....

Its quite easy to refin a bass, and usually they leave the headstock, just painting up to the edges of the headstock front face. A good refin thats aged a bit can be very hard to spot. How clear is your serial number? Thats one of the first things to get fainter

The decals are hard to find, but I have seen ones that at least claim to be real on ebay before, plus good copies are also available here and there

However my 77 fretless ripper has the same unpainted tape patch - perhaps suggesting an original finish, or at least the same tape was on when it was done

Black is a very easy colour to touch up - try looking at it under uv light and see if there is and difference in the paint? Might be just in the drill holes themselves.

As always unless another one turns up (or someone recalls doing the mods), I guess we'll never know.........

If your 76 ripper broke down in 1980, and you sent it back to Gibson for repair, what would they have done?

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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2006, 02:29:30 PM »
Quote from: jules
hi, sorry to take so long to join in....
No worries mate!

I've emailed Gibson customer support... I don't expect anything from it but it's worth the try...
I will look closer at this bass and try to take some better pictures (with uv) when possible (I don't have a uv light myself)

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if your 76 ripper broke down in 1980, and you sent it back to Gibson for repair, what would they have done?

Would they still have those old pots? They seem to be from the right period (1976) Maybe they could have used the old pots. Would it be usefull to disconnect the wires on the unreadible pot to look at it's number?

The serial number is good readible, I don't think there's more paint in it then the other Gibsons I've seen. Also I think the paint in the holes looks like it was done when the bass was coated (to the naked eye)

Whatever the outcome may be, this is a very fine bass and I was born in 1976  8)
thanx for the comments!

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« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2006, 02:37:07 PM »
I visited a experienced fretless player yesterday. His first comment was: " has this bass been converted to a fretless?"
He said this because the dots on the side of the fretboard are where you would expect them to be on a fretted bass, between the frets.
Is this normal or would it indicate the bass was indeed converted to a fretless?

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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2006, 12:27:13 AM »
I also emailed Gibson customer relations and got a reply real quick, not very usefull but I will reply and send them some more pictures...
Here's the reply from GCR:
"Hello F.C.,

Thank you for contacting Gibson. The serial number 450090 would be
consistent with instruments built between 1974-1975.  The pot where the
yellow wire is attached has a number which starts with 137####. The 2
digits after the 137 would be the year that pot was built and usually
the guitar would have been built within a year of when the pot was
built. The Ripper Fretless bass was available from 1975-1981. We do not
have access to the outside internet, so I am unable to view the link you
attached. I have attached specs and pictures of this model including
pictures of what the pick-ups should look like from the front side. The
pick-ups had 3 screws which attached them. The body you have appears to
have these routes in the pick-up cavity. The hole in the middle of the
bridge position pick-up cavity may have been added later. The finish in
the holes may be due to the lacquer being sprayed a bit heavier in that
area  and then flowing into the holes. As you can imagine some of the
fine details about an instrument built over 30 years ago may have
slipped through the cracks of time. Hopefully the information I have
supplied with fill in some of the gaps for you. Thanks

Best Regards,
Bob Burns
Gibson Customer Relations"
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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2006, 03:28:41 PM »
Quote from: FC Bass
I visited a experienced fretless player yesterday. His first comment was: " has this bass been converted to a fretless?"
He said this because the dots on the side of the fretboard are where you would expect them to be on a fretted bass, between the frets.
Is this normal or would it indicate the bass was indeed converted to a fretless?


No, they made them like that!!!!!!!!!  I know its ridiculous, but they used boards with the dots in the same places as fretted boards. Whether this was just on a few earlier models, or whether they still do this today I can't say. Anyone else got a newer fretless Gibson?

It IS a bit slack - but times were tight then, and all the guitar companies were into saving money

Anyway my local luthier Andy Viccars showed me a good work around. You colour the old dots in with a black felt pen (non permanent), and put a new dot on with tipex (correction fluid, snopaque?). Both of these are hard wearing enough to work (for a while at least) yet are completely reversible for when you decide to sell it on.

At first I thought I was just really bad at fretless playing (I still think that!) but having new dots helps a LOT

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« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2006, 03:42:04 PM »
Quote from: FC Bass
some of the
fine details about an instrument built over 30 years ago may have
slipped through the cracks of time.

Bob Burns - Gibson Customer Relations"



That pretty much sums up the reason I started GibsonBass.com!!!

Gibson The Ripper Ebony fretless 1976? Prototype?
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2006, 03:48:55 PM »
Thank you very much! I love your site, I'ts really help/usefull. A shame the folks at Gibson aren't allowed to use the internet (though they can recieve mails...) They could learn a lot from your site.

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« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2006, 08:59:19 PM »
Gibson has a history (old and recent) of unique positioning of the fret dots. Early Rippers have the dots off from the fret. Don't know which year but some time between '76 and '78 they took notice. Uwe notified me on this variation between earlier and later models when I was about to purchase my Ripper. My 1978 has them spot on so they did correct their mistake. Same thing with the new LP DC bass. Notice the 24th fret. I took my chances and ordered one and they corrected that mistake also by just leaving out the 23'rd (!!) fret dot.

Official pic:



Mine:


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« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2006, 10:34:56 PM »
Thanx for the info.
That's a hell of a bass! I just love Flame Maple, it's beautiful!  8)
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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2006, 12:45:58 PM »
Quote from: doom
My 1978 has them spot on so they did correct their mistake.


Thats interesting. I wonder whether the frets were added after the board was attached to the neck or beforehand.

 

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