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Gibson Triumph Bass Just picked this up on craigslist what do you think?

This just popped up on craigslist and the price was too good to be true...I couldn't resist.  
I'll start with the good news... It looks great, plays great, it's a mojo monster, came with the original case, and has a ton of potential.  

And now the ugly... The neck has a vertical crack on the back of the headstock and two cracks/splits running down each side of the neck along the fretboard from the nut to about the 3rd fret.  The bridge was replaced, the pick guard was broken and now has a separate piece for the input jack.  Also, some positions on the toggle and selector switch are a bit noisy if the switch is not in perfect position.  Tuners were replaced with Gotoh made in Japan tuning keys (two of which were installed upside down because these tuners were designed for a row tuning style headstock).  The bass was refretted and last but not least...I think the bass was repainted/refinished which covered the decal serial number!

All that aside, it's a great players guitar.  The cracks aren't that bad and they don't effect the playability or the sound of the instrument.  It still stays in tune just fine and whoever refinished it did a pretty good job.  I'm guessing it was refinished when the cracks were fixed.  The scratchy/noisy switches will most likely go away with a good cleaning.  The guy I got this from had it stored away for years without touching it.  The frets are in fair shape, they still have a lot of life left in them.  There aren't a lot of dings and scratches and IMO it's in really good shape for its age.  The case is also in good shape.  I wonder if the bass was originally white and might have just been "touched up," but I have no way of telling.  Everything I said is just speculation, the guy I got it from didn't have a clue about it.  He said that's the condition it was in when he got it from his father years ago.  Any input on this bass would be greatly appreciated!

Now the tricky part, what is it worth?

This bass reached $675 and IMO is beat to hell and in worse shape.  
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Gibson Triumph Bass Just picked this up on craigslist what do you think?
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2011, 02:52:37 AM »
Congrats on your new bass! The Les Paul Triumph is my personal favorite. The bass was only available in natural or white, you would have to check to see if there was any sign of the origonal finish in one of the cavities to be sure.
https://www.vintageguitarandbass.com/gibson/catalogues/1975_bass_8.php
It also looks like the bridge was changed. It very likely had a decal at one time, that would make it a '75 or '76. I have two Les Paul Triumph basses, the first had a slight neck repair & someone did a poor refin job on the front when they installed a Badass bridge on the bass.  I use this bass as my main player. I came close to selling it when I bought a nicer one, but with all of it's flaws, it's still my favorite. Enjoy! 8)
 

Gibson Triumph Bass Just picked this up on craigslist what do you think?
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2011, 03:11:50 AM »
Thanks for all the info!  I'll try to check if I can see the original finish.  This one's a real pleasure to play. What do you think it's worth?

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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2011, 11:36:39 AM »
Until early 1973 Triumphs had the two-point bridge (with either Delrin or metal saddles)
 
Yours seems to have Delrin saddles
 
It may be that whoever made your current bridge used the existing saddles. If this is the case yours would have been natural mahogany rather than white (white was available from '75). Or it may be that these saddles are not original.
 
If it is this early it would have had the usual stamped 6 digit serial number rather than a decal.
 
Sometime in 1973 they went to the three point bridge (always with metal saddles)
 
So, look under your bridge. Do you have three screw-in posts (or post holes) in a triangle, or just two?
 
Also, look at the pot codes. You can get a date from these
 
The input jack on the control plate is a weak area on these - breaks there are common
 
They are superb basses - yours does need some attention, but well worth doing.
 
Value - typically these go on ebay for $800-$1800 depending on condition, completeness, colour etc etc. A fairly good, complete, player should go for $1000-$1200
 
Does the neck need glueing? A luthier can inject glue and refin the back of the neck to get rid of those cracks.
 
Yours is going to be on the lower end value-wise, but still very much worth sorting out. Fixing the cracks, adding the correct bridge, bridge cover and tuning keys will add value, as long as you don't overpay.

Gibson Triumph Bass Just picked this up on craigslist what do you think?
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2011, 08:32:21 PM »
Quote from: jules;16157
Until early 1973 Triumphs had the two-point bridge (with either Delrin or metal saddles)
 
Yours seems to have Delrin saddles
 
It may be that whoever made your current bridge used the existing saddles. If this is the case yours would have been natural mahogany rather than white (white was available from '75). Or it may be that these saddles are not original.
 
If it is this early it would have had the usual stamped 6 digit serial number rather than a decal.
 
Sometime in 1973 they went to the three point bridge (always with metal saddles)
 
So, look under your bridge. Do you have three screw-in posts (or post holes) in a triangle, or just two?
 
Also, look at the pot codes. You can get a date from these
 
The input jack on the control plate is a weak area on these - breaks there are common
 
They are superb basses - yours does need some attention, but well worth doing.
 
Value - typically these go on ebay for $800-$1800 depending on condition, completeness, colour etc etc. A fairly good, complete, player should go for $1000-$1200
 
Does the neck need glueing? A luthier can inject glue and refin the back of the neck to get rid of those cracks.
 
Yours is going to be on the lower end value-wise, but still very much worth sorting out. Fixing the cracks, adding the correct bridge, bridge cover and tuning keys will add value, as long as you don't overpay.


The bridge has 3 post holes (2 bigger ones in the back and 1 smaller by the rear pick up), do you know of anywhere I might be able to pick up an original bridge and cover or a better replacement for a good price?  

I'm going to have my guitar tech check out the bass sometime next week and see if he can do anything about the cracks.  How much do you think it should cost?

I played it at practice last night for a couple of hours and it felt great.  I figured out that the output jack needs to be replaced which is an easy fix.  I'll probably fix it myself when I get some free time.  

I'll take a look at the pots to see if I can date the guitar when I change the jack.  Thanks for all the info!  You sure know your stuff!  

I bought this bass with the intent to sell it but now I'm getting attached! If anyone's looking to get their hands on this bass I might let it go if the price is right. I was debating on putting it on eBay AS IS but I do want to fix it up.  I'm afraid if I fix it up though, I might end up getting more attached and not letting it go. :-D

Gibson Triumph Bass Just picked this up on craigslist what do you think?
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2011, 11:12:16 AM »
Quote from: mydeadblues;16160
The bridge has 3 post holes (2 bigger ones in the back and 1 smaller by the rear pick up), do you know of anywhere I might be able to pick up an original bridge and cover or a better replacement for a good price?  

I'm going to have my guitar tech check out the bass sometime next week and see if he can do anything about the cracks.  How much do you think it should cost?

I played it at practice last night for a couple of hours and it felt great.  I figured out that the output jack needs to be replaced which is an easy fix.  I'll probably fix it myself when I get some free time.  

I'll take a look at the pots to see if I can date the guitar when I change the jack.  Thanks for all the info!  You sure know your stuff!  

I bought this bass with the intent to sell it but now I'm getting attached! If anyone's looking to get their hands on this bass I might let it go if the price is right. I was debating on putting it on eBay AS IS but I do want to fix it up.  I'm afraid if I fix it up though, I might end up getting more attached and not letting it go. :-D


The bridges come up pretty regularly on eBay, either as Gibson or Epiphone replacements. I'm pretty sure a 3-point bridge is the same, whichever bass it is on, Jules would be able to confirm that.

Gibson 3 point bridge

Thing to watch for if you buy used is the post screws tend to get damaged by people using the wrong size screwdriver. Or buy retail.

http://www.guitarpartsresource.com/bridge_aftermarketgib.htm

Gibson Triumph Bass Just picked this up on craigslist what do you think?
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2011, 04:38:00 AM »
Quote from: spinynorman;16162
The bridges come up pretty regularly on eBay, either as Gibson or Epiphone replacements. I'm pretty sure a 3-point bridge is the same, whichever bass it is on, Jules would be able to confirm that.

Gibson 3 point bridge

Thing to watch for if you buy used is the post screws tend to get damaged by people using the wrong size screwdriver. Or buy retail.

http://www.guitarpartsresource.com/bridge_aftermarketgib.htm


I'll keep my eye on eBay for one.  Thanks for the link!  Ya I hope it's a direct fit, it says it fits Thunderbirds and some EB models.

Gibson Triumph Bass Just picked this up on craigslist what do you think?
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2011, 04:43:59 AM »
Here's a picture of the "birds nest" The pot code reads "13770307" on the master volume.  So what year would that date this bass to be? Would it be 1973 7th week?



Gibson Triumph Bass Just picked this up on craigslist what do you think?
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2011, 04:05:53 PM »
Quote from: mydeadblues;16170
Here's a picture of the "birds nest" The pot code reads "13770307" on the master volume.  So what year would that date this bass to be? Would it be 1973 7th week?

"CTS codes are in the format 137-year-week." from Jules' link
I make that 1970 week 307

Gibson Triumph Bass Just picked this up on craigslist what do you think?
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2011, 09:04:07 PM »
Quote from: spinynorman;16173
"CTS codes are in the format 137-year-week." from Jules' link
I make that 1970 week 307


Possible, but I thought that the triumph bass came out in 1971.

Gibson Triumph Bass Just picked this up on craigslist what do you think?
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2011, 04:49:35 PM »
Quote from: mydeadblues;16176
Possible, but I thought that the triumph bass came out in 1971.


Yes, pots can be used a year or more after they're stamped.

Gibson Triumph Bass Just picked this up on craigslist what do you think?
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2011, 12:43:58 PM »
What happened to the binding on the headstock?  Did someone maybe refin the headstock ?

What happened to the bindings round the fret board? Did this bas get a new fretboard when it was refinned?

What are the two lighter coloured round spots in the first position and the second position? Are those reinforcements for a fixed neck break?
cheers!

 

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