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« on: April 13, 2011, 12:43:04 AM »
I've been browsing here for a while, not had anything much to post about, but maybe now is the time.

I have recently acquired two Gibson Rippers. One is an Ebony finish maple/rosewood model from 1978 which is pretty standard, except the bridge pickup is a Kent Armstrong reconstruction of the original.

The second one I thought was a 1973 natural that had been sprayed black. Turns out, once I stripped the black off, that the body is the original fatter shape, but as far as I can tell is made of alder. It's 2lb lighter than the 78, at about 9lb.

I found an old thread on here where a sighting of that combination is mentioned, dated 1975. Mine is a 1xxxxx serial number, stamped on the headstock, which could be anything from 1970 (not a Ripper though) to 1975, so I guess that fits. The pot codes I can read date to week 44 1973. So would those be a bit old to be found in a 75 body?

To add to the mystery, there's some rough wood on the body around the neck pocket, which makes me wonder if at some point the neck and the body parted company, and that possibly they're not from the same bass.

Pictures

The Natural (75?) stripped, no hardware.



As it arrived in black, old-style pickups, aftermarket pickguard, under which was a tort pg oversprayed with the black.



The 78

« Last Edit: April 13, 2011, 12:46:53 AM by spinynorman »

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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2011, 10:47:45 PM »
Quote from: spinynorman;15764
The pot codes I can read date to week 44 1973. So would those be a bit old to be found in a 75 body?

Not necessarily.  The date on the potentiometer simply indicates when that pot was made by the supplier and as such, it is not related to the instrument's specific date of manufacture.

It's a fair bet that yours is a late '74 to early '75 bass and one of the first batch of alder Rippers.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2011, 11:13:52 PM by bassdroid »
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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2011, 03:22:17 AM »
Hi and welcome
 
Nice basses. Is the natural
reassembled yet? I'm always nervous before taking the finish off; you just don't know what will be underneath. But it's looking good so far. Should be a very nice bass when it's all done.
 
I have one with the same pot codes as yours; 44th week of 73, serial number 182***. I haven't got it photographed for the site yet, but it's on my to do list. It would be interesting to know your full serial number - seeing as they have the same dated pots, i'd like to see how far apart they are.

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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2011, 10:32:42 PM »
Quote from: jules;15769
Hi and welcome
 
Nice basses. Is the natural
reassembled yet? I'm always nervous before taking the finish off; you just don't know what will be underneath. But it's looking good so far. Should be a very nice bass when it's all done.
 
I have one with the same pot codes as yours; 44th week of 73, serial number 182***. I haven't got it photographed for the site yet, but it's on my to do list. It would be interesting to know your full serial number - seeing as they have the same dated pots, i'd like to see how far apart they are.

182193. It's still in bits. I've been a bit undecided what to do with it, but I think I'll leave it natural. Getting the varnish off the neck has been a long job.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2011, 11:13:21 PM by spinynorman »

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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2011, 02:04:21 AM »
My alder Tobaccoburst is 186322.  I'm reasonably certain it's an early '75.

And here is something interesting; I went back and had a look at the refinned Cherryburst I used to have.  The serial is 186372.  Sure wish I still had access to it!
« Last Edit: April 17, 2011, 02:06:31 AM by bassdroid »
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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2011, 11:14:11 PM »
Jules, is yours maple? Finding alder under the paint was a surprise, to say the least.

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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2011, 12:57:58 AM »
No, that one is alder too IIRC. Not like the really early ones. I tend to think of mine as a late 74 or 75. yeah, it looks good natural - i'd tend to keep it like that too.

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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2011, 02:56:49 PM »
Has anyone found a case that fits the early Ripper shape? The Hiscox large bass case that fits my 78 Ripper isn't wide enough.

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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2011, 08:13:59 PM »
I've received early Rippers in a variety of used cases.

  • Coffin Case
  • A rectangular Tolex covered case with a label reading Guild Pilot (Still have this one)
  • A rectangular HS case embossed "Aria Pro II"


The original cases can be found occasionally on Ebay.
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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2011, 02:09:00 AM »
If I might follow up with an incredibly stupid question.  I have a Ripper that I've owned since it was brand new, around 1974 or 75.  How do I tell if it's maple or alder?  I suspect that it's alder but I don't know much about the different woods and what they look like.

The serial number on the headstock, which is barely visible, looks to be 185504.

For what it's worth, mine is sunburst. I rewired the pickup selector to get rid of that awful out-of-phase sound and instead have neck pu only, bridge only, both in parallel (I think...) and both in series (I think). Otherwise it's totally stock.

Thanks for any help you can give.  I've always liked my Ripper although they were never very popular instruments.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2011, 02:10:17 AM by Boris »

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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2011, 01:28:39 PM »
Quote from: Boris;15840
If I might follow up with an incredibly stupid question.  I have a Ripper that I've owned since it was brand new, around 1974 or 75.  How do I tell if it's maple or alder?  I suspect that it's alder but I don't know much about the different woods and what they look like.



Seems to be hard to tell from anything except the weight. My maple 78 weighs about 11lbs, the alder one about 9lbs.

There's sample pictures of various woods on the Warmoth site, for example alder looks something like this

http://www.warmoth.com/Assets/ProductImages/BB1.jpg

There was an extended discussion on here from way back

http://forums.vintageguitarandbass.com/showthread.php?613-A-Pointy-Ripper-with-an-Ash-body

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« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2011, 10:46:25 PM »
I put mine back together yesterday. Now has a new pickguard, varitone position plate and truss rod cover. Haven't jammed the knobs on too far, as there's a set of metal position markers on the way, and some replacement string thru ferrules, originals got caught in the sander. I'll probably get it a bridge cover at some stage.

When I first reassembled it, the routing for the bridge pickup left no space for height adjustment - even screwed right down the pickup was close to the strings. I don't think Rippers sound good like that, so reluctantly had to take some wood out to set it lower. Even so, sounds quite different from the maple 78.

« Last Edit: April 26, 2011, 10:57:46 PM by spinynorman »

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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2011, 01:59:49 AM »
That looks great. Very well done!
 
Quote from: Boris;15840
How do I tell if it's maple or alder?
Quote from: spinynorman;15851
Seems to be hard to tell from anything except the weight.

Weight is an easy difference if you have one of each side by side. But you can sometimes just tell when holding one, that the neck (always maple) is heavier/denser than the body.
 
Another difference is the softness. Maple is really hard. Alder dents and gouges easily. If a maple-body gets bashed it seems to damage less than an alder body.
 
Feel the body and the neck. Do they seem like exactly the same wood?

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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2011, 12:00:26 PM »
Beautiful Ripper, nice work!  I love the look of tortise shell on natural.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2011, 12:04:27 PM by bassdroid »
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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2011, 10:00:15 AM »
Thanks for the comments. I took a bit of a risk buying a pickguard without supplying a tracing, but it's a perfect fit against the existing screw holes. The only thing is the alignment of the controls is different, so it was a bit of a fiddle to get it all in. Don't understand why Ripper pickguards are so difficult to get right.

 

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