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NONE MORE BLACK! (Les Paul Triumph, EB3)

NONE MORE BLACK! (Les Paul Triumph, EB3)
« on: June 27, 2006, 09:10:12 AM »
How about this one then?

Gibson Les Paul Recording Bass BLACK w/OHSC

It seems there are a few triumphs coming up again lately but this one is certainly different.

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none more black
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2006, 12:56:31 PM »
Yeah thats one cool Triumph. Black does seem to be one colour people refin too - but the seller insists 100% its original.

Definately a bit special if its original, but still very nice even if not

The seller also insist that there are no cracks, breaks or repairs - i'd want a closer look at the slightly matt area at the back of the headstock - especially in light of the fact theat the truss rod cover cracked too. They generally don't just fall apart

A lovely bass though - but will it go for $1700?


NONE MORE BLACK! (Les Paul Triumph, EB3)
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2006, 06:06:36 PM »
[breathing heavily into a paper bag]

Re: none more black
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2006, 06:13:10 PM »
Quote from: jules

A lovely bass though - but will it go for $1700?



If original and no breaks sure (though the high openning bid may scare a few people off).  Remember that the mint white one (which is very rare, but not as rare as this one, if original) went for over 2K a few months back.

PS - I want this one so hard (and not just because then I'd have an ebony and ivory matching set).

NONE MORE BLACK! (Les Paul Triumph, EB3)
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2006, 09:59:20 AM »
It looks very very nice in black. Looking at the serial and 'made in usa' on the back of the headstock, the way they are readeable not filled/levelled it seems that it could be that an original finish. Owner added a straplock at the heel that is for sure not original..Very nice...Fortunately buying from the states is still expensive (shipping/taxes and risk) for italians..If I ever found a thing like this ia a real shop, with the bare price to pay equal to the one asked, I find  it would be very very hard to resist to credit card extraction...It would be a chronic GAS..

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NONE MORE BLACK! (Les Paul Triumph)
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2006, 06:51:01 PM »
Quote from: dino
Looking at the serial and 'made in usa' on the back of the headstock, the way they are readeable not filled/levelled it seems that it could be that an original finish.


Yeah agreed Dino, and I don't think black is such an unusual colour for a Gibson bass, so I'm not surprised that black ones come up.

However without looking at it close up, none of us can be 100% sure, and I suspect postal buyers will not want to commit so much money, with no guarantees.

If I were the seller, i'd probably try and sell it in a busy guitar shop if it doesn't go on ebay

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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2006, 09:21:39 PM »
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and I don't think black is such an unusual colour for a Gibson bass, so I'm not surprised that black ones come up.


It is for this model - there are absolutely none listed in the production totals that I've seen (including the ones posted on your site) ... which doesn't mean there weren't any made, just that they're very rare and will always be subject to intense scrutiny and sceptisism because of it.

There was another black one on the bay recently (we had a thread going here) but it reeked of refin to me.  This one I'd give the benefit of the doubt (I'd buy it if I could spare the scratch and the seller agreed to allow a return + refund if upon in-hand inspection it turns out to be not as described).  One thing's for sure: refin or not this baby has some battle-scars.

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another one
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2006, 05:02:56 AM »
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there are absolutely none listed in the production totals that I've seen (including the ones posted on your site)


no, thats right. Those figures are often vague, and often colours are lumped together. Its not so bad in the 70s, but earlier practically no colour info is available. What I meant by black not being an unusual colour was that Gibson, at the time, made black examples of many of their instruments - and the existance of genuine black Gibsons of any model is quite probable.

Heres another one I just found - $2000 AUS which is $1457 USD (priced the same as a ripper, and less than a modded EB3 - see below)

http://www.ricsvintageguitars.com/bass_others.htm


and while you are there - check this EB3

I wonder what the switches do.. 4 varitone positions?

NONE MORE BLACK! (Les Paul Triumph, EB3)
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2006, 09:03:14 AM »
oh, it is a nice solution after all, even under cosmetic point of view it's not bad if you can live without chickenhead...Let's say that if varitone switch works in base four, this mod introduces binary coding...

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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2006, 02:41:25 PM »
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Let's say that if varitone switch works in base four, this mod introduces binary coding


Same thing occured to me... though I doubt that many geetar techs/luthiers have the electrical knowledge to pull that off... and that many bassists would be able to figure it out. :P

My guess is choke on/off for the mud and phase in/out for the mini - that's what I woulda done anyway ( the phase switch being necessary to counteract the 180 degree phase shift caused by the choke, which is a 2nd order filter; I have heard complaints from users of modded EB3s and early EB2Ds that there is significant phase cancellation when both pups are used full throttle - I suspect this is becuase the mini was wired in reverse, internally to the pup, to counteract the choke's phase shift in varitone pos 3, the only position where both pups are on).

 

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