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'82 custom Grabber...legit?

'82 custom Grabber...legit?
« on: February 21, 2011, 07:33:57 PM »
I've been having GAS attacks lately and this '82 Grabber has my full attention.
http://www.oliviasvintageguitars.com/bass/guitars/430/

A couple of things give me pause though.  I can accept that this might be an original custom finish, as demonstrated with the 1980's Candy Apple Red Grabbers and G3s.  However, the bridge cover appears to be missing, and there are no holes for mounting one.  Unless Gibson made and shipped this bass without a cover (seems unlikely).  This calls the authenticity of the finish into question, IMO.

Also, the tuning machines look to be of an earlier vintage...wasn't Gibson using the small Schaller "dog bone" style tuners at this time?

Though I have never done business with them, the seller looks to be reputable and does a good job with describing their instruments. I don't think they would intentionally misrepresent, but the lack of information on Grabbers from this era might cause a loophole or two.

Thoughts?
« Last Edit: February 21, 2011, 10:58:41 PM by bassdroid »
Play the big dumb notes and the little smart notes will take care of themselves.

'82 custom Grabber...legit?
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2011, 01:08:27 PM »
Those tuning machines were what came on my '82-- I ended up putting the "Gibson" labeled ones that came on the older basses such as RD's and such.

The lighting hides this well, but paint looks kinda foggy-- like the metallic component in the paint wasn't applied evenly or it was painted in a humid environment.  This could also just be how the color ages-- I know Gibson's blue ends up settling at a green.

I agree, seems strange its missing it's holes for the bridge cover.

For that kinda money, I'd ask to see photos underneath the pick guard and of the neck cavity (where my custom paint job was labeled with a marker).

Regardless of whether it's real or not, is that priced right?  Seems high.

Great shape otherwise.

'82 custom Grabber...legit?
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2011, 05:17:35 PM »
It certainly is priced high - even if it does turn out to be a one off custom order.  I do remember seeing "CAR" marked in the neck pocket of a Candy Apple Red Grabber here on the forum.  Looking at the back of the headstock, the D tuner looks crooked to me.

I sent the seller a request for some pics of the neck pocket and with a tuner removed.
Play the big dumb notes and the little smart notes will take care of themselves.

'82 custom Grabber...legit?
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2011, 06:04:11 PM »
That CAR grabber is mine.

My stock tuners are hella crooked... don't worry about that.

I'd love to see what's underneath the tuners and compare them to mine-- mine had some hellacious gouges where the reverse tuners were installed.

'82 custom Grabber...legit?
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2011, 04:48:41 AM »
Tuners apear to be original and there are gouges present.

http://imageevent.com/olivias/bluegrabberneck

There is nothing written in the neck pocket.  In spite of that, the seller indicated that he is pretty confident about the finish being original.  

I just can't get past those missing bridge cover holes though.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2011, 04:53:03 AM by bassdroid »
Play the big dumb notes and the little smart notes will take care of themselves.

'82 custom Grabber...legit?
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2011, 11:36:02 AM »
So those tuners and gouges are identical to mine, I always assumed someone had put the incorrect tuners on mine to rob the bass of the "Gibson" branded ones, and did a real ugly job of accommodating the neck for the replacement tuners.  That's I why I went with an older set off of eBay.  I can tell you now what's on it will be reverse tuners like an older P-bass.

My neck cavity also had a piece of screen door like that one, too.  But look how there's blue paint on the tip of the heel of the neck.  Like it was assembled when the paint was still wet.

I'm leaning towards refin for the same reasons as you are.  If you could pick it up at a low price, what's the harm?  But it seems so high even if it was a known factory finish.  My custom finish went for much, much less than it should have because frankly... it's a bit ugly.

Aside from the seller's opinion, we've got no evidence one way or the other.

'82 custom Grabber...legit?
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2011, 03:34:21 PM »
Also, notice the collor diff under the neckplate. Why isnt it not discolored under the pickguards? The yellowing of laquer is never present under those pickguards.

'82 custom Grabber...legit?
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2011, 12:30:50 AM »
The seller told me that this color matches other Gibsons they've had from that era.  That is their rationale for listing the finish as original, and under the circumstances it cannot be disproven.  Taken with the apparent age of the finish, the discoloration around the neck plate, perhaps it could be a factory refin.  I don't think they would have filled the bridge cover holes in that case, though.  The dab of paint on the neck is suspect as well.

I remain of the mind that it's a pro refin of a natural Grabber, done while the bass was still relatively new.
« Last Edit: March 20, 2011, 12:38:03 AM by bassdroid »
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