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Gipson EB-3 ish???

Gipson EB-3 ish???
« on: January 14, 2011, 12:38:37 AM »

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Hello,
This is a Gipson Bass I bought back in 1983, I dont play anymore but I still have it and I sometimes plug it in when i want to annoy the Kids.:-D
I have often wondered what year and what model it is. It's very similar to a EB-3 but the second pickup is in a different position and it has a three position toggle switch instead of the EB-3's rotary switch. It has "Hyper Flux G by John Birch" engraved on the second pickup.
It was originally Cherry Red but I foolishly stripped it down in the early 90's and coated it with clear varnish. (Is it possible to get the origional Cherry Red finish??)
It has a Serial Number on the top of the neck 821016.

Many thanks in advance for any replies.
Kieran.

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Gipson EB-3 ish???
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2011, 07:48:36 AM »
You have a Gibson EB0 that was made somewhere in the 1967-69 period.  The serial numbers got used several times over, and apparently Gibson would have basses leave the factory long after the number would have been placed on the neck.  But the bridge and two of the knobs narrow it down.  I would bet 69.  

It has been modified with the second pickup.  My initial thought was the pup was placed where it was because Gibson used to put the chrome hand rest piece in that area.  It would sit near screw holes.  But one with that bridge may not have had that.  Some early users of that bridge did have the rest still.  Maybe they decided that was the sweet spot.  But it is not in the correct place for an EB3, so who knows?  The inner control potentiometers and the 3 way toggle were added with the pickup.  Gibson used a universal brass shielding can in the control cavity, so the factory holes for the toggle/rotary control and the extra two pot holes were already laid out for people with a half ounce of intellect.  So you have correctly located EB3 controls.

The Birch pup was made in the UK I believe in the very early 70s, and they have a following and are valuable.  I will let someone else tell that tale.
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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2011, 04:14:14 PM »
A lot of people used John Birch to mod their EBs in the 60s and 70s, most notably Jim Lea of Slade. And if you have a modded EB, John Birch mods are the most desirable.
 
A translucent cherry finish could be applied by a good luthier... probably about £200+
 
It won't change the value really, or not by a lot, so maybe not worth bothering with, unless you hate the current colour. How does the bridge pickup sound. It would be interesting to compare this side by side with a regular EB3.

Gipson EB-3 ish???
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2011, 04:56:12 PM »
Thanks lads, to be honest I don't remember what pickup I used to use and I do like deep bass but I'm sure I didn't use the neck pickup maybe both together. I only have a little 10" practise bass combo now so its hard to compare. This guitar has a lot of sentimental value so I will never sell it but what do you think it's worth?

Gipson EB-3 ish???
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2011, 06:09:37 PM »
Value...hmm,well, my modded EB0 is worth around £1000,with battle scars...have a look at UK listings on ebay...By the way,mine`s 1969,serial no.,volume pot code,and a quirk of that year,the headstock Gibson logo is missing the dot over the "i"....nice bass,by the way.. :)

Gipson EB-3 ish???
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2011, 09:42:44 PM »
Looks like mine is missing the dot over the i as well,

Couple of questions,
Ive often wondered about the four little white pieces of plastic under the strings on the bridge, these can be adjusted by the screws that hold them, what are they for?

The bridge can be adjusted by height, what gap should there be between the strings and the fret board?

This shows some of John Birch's handiwork.

Gipson EB-3 ish???
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2011, 03:09:08 PM »
Your EB-0 would have look like mine before it was modified, with the exception of the handrest. You have holes for the second generation handrest, located over the bridge. Mine, I think was a transition model, still using up the older dog-earred handrests, located about where your second pickup was installed.
 

 
The white pieces of plastic are adjustable nylon bridge saddles. This was fairly new at this time, replacing a bar bridge that was only adjustable at the "G" & "E" string.
https://www.flyguitars.com/gibson/bass/parts/bridge/#24

Gipson EB-3 ish???
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2011, 12:07:09 PM »
Nice EB0! See you have early type of tuners,backwards geared? Love the chrome finger rest,often get in the way,but look right...need one for my old EB3...Was wondering how many folk own EBs with transitional parts..my `66 EB3 is a late `65 14 degree pitch wide neck/matching body with nickel neck pickup cover,and a `65 volume pot,but has close spaced pots..only clue it was an EB3 originally,not a modded EB0 is the neat bridge pickup rout,with cherry finish at the bottom,plus the bridge pickup is as decrapitated as the rest of the bass...ah,Ebay.... ;)

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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2011, 12:20:09 AM »
You just have to love EB-0s, there is nothing better! I've had three in my life, because I'm old. The first was the worst, I don't know what year but it was a model where they moved the pickup towards the center and had a longer headstock without the flower pot, and it was heavier. That one went away fast. The second was a very nice '68, not perfect but nice. It was stolen out of the back of my pickup. But the one I have now is the best one I've owned, it's not even close to perfect, it's faded and crazed all over and there is a crack in the control cavity that runs part way up the side. But this one feels like it was made for me. I plug it into my Acoustic and make thunder happen.

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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2011, 12:34:39 AM »
Quote from: bob2;15294
But the one I have now is the best one I've owned, it's not even close to perfect, it's faded and crazed all over and there is a crack in the control cavity that runs part way up the side. But this one feels like it was made for me

That's what I call soul Bob. Some instruments just do that don't they.  
 
Are you going to show us a pic?

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Gipson EB-3 ish???
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2011, 01:02:58 AM »
http://s1102.photobucket.com/albums/g442/beanbag420/ Are you trying to embarress me? I just checked, and I do have a picture on photo bucket, along with a few more basses and guitars. So look at them all, especially at the blond Tokai, I've been trying for years to find out the age and model of that guitar. I don't have it anymore, it was stolen while I lived in Georgia. I don't expect to get it back but it has always bothered me not to know anything about it. Oh yeah, you know the expression "absence makes the heart grow fonder" I haven't touched my EB-0 in almost 7 years and it's rattier than I remember, but I love her just the same.

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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2011, 05:17:52 PM »
Quote from: bob2;15294
You just have to love EB-0s, there is nothing better!


I'm currently trying to restore an EB-0.  I bought it as a stripped carcass, off eBay, and by stripped I mean even the finish had been taken off (in places, it looks like they used a belt sander!).

I have managed to collect everything I need to refinish and reassemble it, except one.  It's a '70-'72 model, with the "slot" style headstock.  These used an obscure model of Schaller tuner called the M-4-C, which mount to the side of the headstock, instead of the back.

I think the alloy which makes up these tuners contains a high percentage of Unobtanium.

 

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