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Advice needed on EBO restoration , Please

Advice needed on EBO restoration , Please
« on: June 06, 2010, 06:03:38 PM »
Hi , can anyone please help me.
 I have just brought what i think is an 60s  Gibson EBO bass which is in need of renovation but i do not know where to start.

The bass is structally fine but the neck has been refinished and the gibson logo is missing  , the serial dates the guitar  to between 61 to 63 ( was this colour available then?)

My concern is as i have never seen a 60s Gibson bass close up ,so i am not too sure what type of logo should be on the headstock for this year ( silkscreen , decal or inlay) and if i did i would not know where aquire one.

Also any advice where to purchase

1 - Chrome ( or plastice ) pickup cover

2 - Fingerest cover

3 - Control Knobs right from this period

here are some pictures




Any help and information will be much appreciated


sheldon

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Advice needed on EBO restoration , Please
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2010, 09:51:57 PM »
Well, looks like you got one with most of the fun parts, and it is an EB-0.  So, my two cents, and others will weigh in.  The headstock should have pearloid inlays of the Gibson logo and the chevron design.  They would not have had decals.  Yours shows no sign of the inlays, and the back of the neck was painted black (not the original color in my estimate based on the body).  That paint is usually a sign of a neck repair, as is the lack of the original headstock overlay.  Not the end of the world if the repair was done well.  First thing I would do is remove the finish off the back of the neck, and be very gentle/careful around the serial number.  Easy does it there.  You can use a chemical stripper (like orange peel) but masking tape off the fingerboard and nut.  Scrape it off with a plastic scraper tool.  Then wash it off generously with mineral spirits to neutralize the stripper.  Then sand it down with a medium to light grade sponge sander.  Take it easy, and get the black off.  That will get you to the wood and tell you what is what.  Then you will have to get the string tuner ferrules out of the face of the headstock.  Easy does it here too as there may have been a crack repair.  Get a small hammer or a plastic face "dead blow" hammer and a flat head screwdriver.  Tap the ferrules from the back gently clockwise till the pop off.  Brace the body while you do this.  Then sand the face of the headstock off.  When all that is done you will know what lies beneath.  Send pics here.

You could have someone do this for you of course.  It would add expenses to a bass that has limited value.  This is really an easy do it yourself thing as the hard work has been done already, provided it is holding up under string tension.

You need tuners, mudbucker cover, knobs, and a bridge.  The bridge is the hard part, but nothing is impossible!  Good luck.
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Advice needed on EBO restoration , Please
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2010, 10:15:08 PM »
Thanks for the repsonse and the detailed advice it is much appreciated.

Do you know where i would be able to aquire a suitable decal ( would it be gold in colour or pearl? ).
Also do you know if the  pickup cover would have been chrome or plastic for this era , the serial  from what i can make out looks like 132xx which i think dates it to 62  .

I have the original Tuners - Bridge - screws but removed them ready for restoration.
 
Thanks again

jules

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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2010, 01:03:47 AM »
Hi and welcome
 
I'd say yours is most likely a 1963.
 
Heres my 1962 Gibson EB0
 
So you need an early 60s bar bridge - the later chrome version will fit, but the nickel is correct (you don't need to be too fussy though). The tune-o-matic Gibson two point bridge will not fit
 
You don't need the black bakelite pickup cover, you need the nickel humbucker cover - wide early version (you can tell this by the location of the screw holes relative to the cover outline in your images)

Kluson 538 tuning keys - chrome ones will work, but nickel would be period correct. NOTE, a lot of tuners look like this, and most new ones have wider posts.
 
You can spend a lot on these parts if you don't shop around, watch you don't end up spending more than this bass is worth. In fact, if you are a player, you might be better off modding this bass rather than restoring it completely. The old bridge isn't intonatable, which isn't ideal, and you'll have real trouble finding (or making) a new headstock overlay.
 
Ebay is your best bet for parts... but like I said, watch out for steep 'buy it now' prices

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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2010, 03:43:59 PM »
You should check into the Guitar ReRanch board.  You need the pearl inlay - not a decal.  However, there are some fun characters out there who have come up with plastic overlay that looks pretty much the same, and you avoid the whole routing of the inlay and filling the voids.  But I haven't done that, so I recommend the Reranch board for best advice on that stuff.  They know where to get the finishing touches.

If you do have the tuners and bridge, and assorted screws, you have the hard stuff.  You can improvise the cover via ebay.  As Jules pointed out you can shop around, and sometimes there are repros that fit as well.  You technically are missing the metal thing that goes over the strings - it was supposed to be a finger rest of some sort if you didn't use the curved wood for thumb playing.  But it is mostly useless, and is like a hood ornament. Most players chucked them.
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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2010, 07:07:50 PM »
I just used a decal, but is not period correct, but was easy and inexpensive. Gibson does not allow decal sales, but they pop up on ebay time to time.

Mine was a Slot Head EB-0 that had a new neck grafted on






Advice needed on EBO restoration , Please
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2010, 08:24:00 PM »
Thanks again i will take onboard all your advice.  

My original idea was to sand down the neck and then stain it with wood dye as i think it would be the easiet method . If i was to decide to get it done properly would the original finish be  nitro or poly ?

sheldon

Advice needed on EBO restoration , Please
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2010, 08:18:32 AM »
hi i have had another look at the neck and  I do not really want to use a chemical stripper as it looks like the original finish is still there under the black paint .

Is there another way of removing the top layer of paint while preserving the finish underneath?
thanks

Advice needed on EBO restoration , Please
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2010, 06:28:32 PM »
Chemical stripper, nitro for paint.


Advice needed on EBO restoration , Please
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2010, 08:30:47 AM »
That should be a nice bass when finished. Do yourself a huge favor and don't try to sand the old finish off. I used Methylenechloride scratch brush and the water hose on mine. had it completely stripped in 30 minutes. If you try to sand the finish off it will take a lifetime and still look like crap when your done. The collector value of the guitar is down the tubes anyway so you might as well make it look first cabin. I have a post here with some pictures of mine as I worked it. I used Nitrate dope for the finish with tracer dye as a pigment, people here told me it was wrong but all the experts here in my town tell me it's the best color match they have seen. Bottom line is do what makes you happy and enjoy it as a player. The head stock I would have a professional do that work it is very tricky.

I used a black ball point pen in the serial number to make it more readable, then sprayed the finish on top.
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