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eb0 1969 logo: decal or inlay?

eb0 1969 logo: decal or inlay?
« on: March 23, 2010, 01:11:50 PM »
I'm an italian amateur musician. I've bought a gibson eb0 on ebay. The serial number is 600529. On the pots is stamped: tx 158 500k at 1376852. It seems it has all original parts, but when it has arrived in my home i've noticed a strange thing: around the gibson logo there's an edge, almost a line, so i've doubted that the logo is a decal not inlayed as it should be. How can i check if it is a pearl inlay or a decal without risking to ruin the logo?
Here are some pics. Someone can help me? Thanks




eb0 1969 logo: decal or inlay?
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2010, 05:04:36 PM »
It does look a bit suspect but the only thing I can think of is to check it with a pin. The wood should be fairly soft and the pin will sink in, whereas the inlay, plastic or mother-of-pearl will be a lot harder.

I'm not an expert on these basses but perhaps someone could compare the logo with theirs and tell you if it is applied at the correct angle.

Mike.
Retired Radio and Electronics Engineer residing in Cambridgeshire.

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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2010, 08:36:49 PM »
Hi, that is completely correct and legitimate.
 
It is indeed an inlay, but they actually inlaid a larger piece of pearl (the outline you can see) and then painted the black over the top - obviously leaving the letters unpainted. This way they got an inlay without the complication of cutting the pearl letter by letter, and inlaying those.
 
The same with the crown inlay.
 
How about a pic of the whole bass ;-)

eb0 1969 logo: decal or inlay?
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2010, 11:43:33 PM »
thanks for the answer. Jules, here are other pics of the bass. I think you are right also for a reason: the logo seems to be to a lower level behind the edge. Excuse me if my english isn't too accurate, i hope that you understand what i want to say.




I've another question: the case that you can see in the pic is an Ess&Ess. It hasn't a gibson logo, but it's possible that it is the original case?  (in other words, Ess&Ess has ever made hard cases for Gibson Basses?).
Thanks

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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2010, 12:12:51 PM »
I'm not familiar with that case. Certainly in the UK, distributors regularly imported guitars without cases - then added cases here. So something bought new with a case would have a different case than the US suppliers had.
 
Could that be the situation here?

eb0 1969 logo: decal or inlay?
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2010, 01:18:53 PM »
i don't know. I've bought the bass from an USA seller and the case is certainly a 60's. I think that Ess&Ess made cases for Gretsch, Martin, Danelectro and so it's possible that made also cases for Gibson, but i haven't found any information about this possibility.
However Jules, i appreciate very much your help. You have made me more secure about the originality of the bass. I've pics of the other parts. Do you think that there are details that can help in confirming that the bass is just a gibson?
Her's some pics of  pots and bridge




Thanks

eb0 1969 logo: decal or inlay?
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2010, 05:14:16 PM »
Quote from: jules;13401
Hi, that is completely correct and legitimate.
 
It is indeed an inlay, but they actually inlaid a larger piece of pearl (the outline you can see) and then painted the black over the top - obviously leaving the letters unpainted. This way they got an inlay without the complication of cutting the pearl letter by letter, and inlaying those.
 
The same with the crown inlay.
 
How about a pic of the whole bass ;-)


Thank you!!!  I've been scratching my head for a year about why the logos are the way they are on my poor mutilated 1969 EB0 project.  Somebody sanded off the entire finish including the black paint on the headstock face.

eb0 1969 logo: decal or inlay?
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2010, 06:38:06 PM »
Haha, a whole year!
Was it really that hard to figure out?
cheers!

eb0 1969 logo: decal or inlay?
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2010, 05:43:14 PM »
Heh!  :-D  Not really.... I just bought the bass in April 09 and haven't had the ambition or money to start fixing it up until now.  The guy I had repair the inlays didn't know the answer but he did a fantastic job - although I didn't ask him to do a true restoration, I'm sure it would have come out perfectly if I had.

http://www.sharkinlay.com/headstocks.htm

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« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2010, 06:19:36 PM »
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The guy I had repair the inlays didn't know the answer but he did a fantastic job

ok, so the headstock has been done... not a bad job. That guy does some good inlay work! What about the rest? Is your bass fully restored now? If so, you are now obliged to show us the finished job ;-)

eb0 1969 logo: decal or inlay?
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2010, 07:56:56 PM »
That's the only part that's done so far, or I'd be proudly showing it off.  :)  

Right now it just looks like a 1969 EB0 that somebody stripped of all hardware, sanded all the finish off for no obvious reason, and then sold to me on E-bay.  When done it will be a near-perfect clone of an EB3 that Phil Lesh played from about 1970-1972.


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« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2010, 11:44:03 PM »
Are you going to use Guild/Hagström pickups, or DarkStars maybe?
cheers!

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« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2010, 03:15:17 PM »
They'll be Darkstars.  Probably with emitter-follower buffers installed as well.

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« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2010, 11:04:52 PM »
Quote from: Rusty the Scoob;13451
Probably with emitter-follower buffers installed as well.

:shock::shock::shock:
 
care to explain for us un-enlightened

eb0 1969 logo: decal or inlay?
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2010, 08:49:10 PM »
I'm barely enlightened myself.   All I know is that it's a small device involving a pair of transistors and some other small resistors and caps, that takes the pickup's output and buffers it voltagewise to better withstand long cable runs, etc, without actually boosting the signal.   It's something that the guys at Alembic designed before they founded Alembic.  Way over my head.

 

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