Vintage Guitar and Bass forum

victory project - is it worth it

batwing

victory project - is it worth it
« on: April 13, 2006, 01:45:35 PM »
Gibson-Victory-Bass-Guitar-PROJECT-Made-in-the-USA

is this really fixable? How available are the parts?

I'm tempted if it stays cheap, what do these go for in non-project condition?

Ouch
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2006, 02:35:12 PM »
Bitter divorce or stoned again. "Honey I cut me bass up again"

i just do not understand why someone would do that?

Maybe it was a Gibson reject bass and Gibson did it. Someone fished it out of the dumpster.

Was it an act of revenge from Leo himself?

"I'll teach Orville not to come on my turff!"

Anything is fixable, but with this, what's the point?

Unless you have the pickups & hardware, you would end up spending more than what you would get out of it. You would be better off buyinmg a beat to crap victory with all the pieces already there.

If anything it would make a nice clock or something.

victory project - is it worth it
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2006, 02:46:57 PM »
Hmm.  I've seen a Victory neck on ebay once,  the tuners all the time and the pup never.  Then again, the Victory pup, though nicely full and agressive, is not the end-all of pups.  I'd suspect that the tone of it is more to do with the all-maple construction and bolt-on neck

Try any nice bass humbucker in there (just keep it in that same mounting position - it really is the sweet spot.... I'm thinking Pitbull... maybe a Darkstar for a more mellow, less aggressive tone.

Victories have gone up in price recently - I bought mine for US$300 (no case) a about 2 years ago, which was $50 cheaper than usual at the time.  They (Victory Standards) now seem to go for $4-450.  I wouldn't pay much more than $100 for this body - it's a good platform for a project (these things are tanks, if Sid had one he'd be a) a little buffer from all the exercise and b) in jail for manslaughter - you can survive a P to the head, but not a Vic), but there's a lot of work and parts required.

ERIC

victory project - is it worth it
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2006, 06:59:00 AM »
yeah this would be a good bass i bought one a couple years but sold the damn thing which i regret. this would be a good bass but it would take a lot of money to fix this thing up

jules

  • *****
  • 3068
    • View Profile
victory project
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2006, 12:57:29 PM »
Hi batwing

well, you'll need to spend:
(prices are estimates obviously)

bridge - $30
pickguard - $25
pickup and electronics - $30-$100
refin - $200+  (reranch a lot less)
tuners - $40

thats $325 - $395 - ON TOP of what you pay for the bass. Unless you have some parts already. Thats IF you can find them and don't get in a bidding war

Now a nice original one like this one
1981 Gibson Victory Standard Bass Guitar

has a bin of $495. So you'd probably end up paying the same for a sawn in half refin.

I'd say as a restoration leave well alone. Only take this on if you want to experiment with reranch etc

just my opinion
Jules

victory project - is it worth it
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2006, 04:50:58 PM »
Agreed.  If you want a Victory, buy one in good shape - they're cheap and this one isn't worth restoring.  However, if you want to try a funky project, this might be the ticket.... though I didn't notice the repaired headstock before.  

That being said there's some tuners up on the bay that were used on Vics:

VINTAGE-GIBSON-BASS-GUITAR-TUNERS-THUNDERBIRD-FIREBIRD

victory project - is it worth it
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2006, 02:31:57 AM »
There was a guy named Bardsong on ebay in 98 that was selling this stuff that someone had been taking out of the dumpster at gibson and storing in their barn. It was guitars that had been bandsawed for one reason or another. That bass came from the same guy, I was bidding on it way back then and lost out to someone else.
I have this one that I won for $75 back then and believe it or not I have over the last few years managed to find all the parts except the bridge. I had a kahler tremelo that I was told was the correct one but it didn't fit properly. I still have it in the closet waiting to be worked on.


jules

  • *****
  • 3068
    • View Profile
why?
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2006, 01:50:49 PM »
so why do they cut them in half? Is this a reject with a non-finish flaw? Can you see whats wrong with yours? And what is that by the way?

Jules

Chop shop
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2006, 03:42:12 PM »
They cut them up so people will not fish them out of the garbage and resell them.

They are usually rejects that have real problems.

jules

  • *****
  • 3068
    • View Profile
Re: Chop shop
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2006, 08:05:35 PM »
Quote from: Redbird
They cut them up so people will not fish them out of the garbage and resell them.


ha! perhaps they should disolve them in acid....

victory project - is it worth it
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2006, 04:16:36 AM »
Believe it or not the neck on this one is straight. It was cut across the body. It looks to have had a couple of different pickguards on it. Also has numerous cracks in the wood on the body. It has a 1983 serial number.
It looks like a Corvus but the Corvus had a bolt on neck.
It's a one peice neck and body, I'm not sure what kind of wood.
 It was called at the time a Futura. Not like the one they made in the 50's but I guess Gibsons 80's model.
There was one on ebay a few years back that never sold because the guy wanted a first bid of $800. It is the only other one I've ever seen.






doom

  • ****
  • 264
    • View Profile
victory project - is it worth it
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2006, 06:52:21 AM »
Yup, there was a black Futura up for sale in Seden about a month ago. 1982 model IIRC.

Michigan
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2006, 12:12:08 PM »
Futura my ass, it's the State of lower Michigan guitar. It must of been some kind of joke or some Michigan nut.


Mitten
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2006, 12:16:17 PM »
Ever kid remembered the State Of Michigan because it was shaped like a mitten. Not many Michiganites think of the UP as the main part of the state, but a wonderful park. With all the Michigan crazy collage football nuts there it was probably designed during some championship sports season.

Could also be a sassafras leaf, but I'm going with Michigan being a Gibsonite.

Going out on the limb further, the headstock is shaped like the U.P.

Re: victory project - is it worth it
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2006, 02:24:13 AM »
Quote from: batwing
I'm tempted if it stays cheap, what do these go for in non-project condition?


did you get it then? $76 is an acceptable price I suppose....

 

Recent posts on vintage guitar and bass

1970 Rosetti Epiphone guitar catalogScan of 1970 Epiphone guitar catalogue produced by Rosetti for the UK market. Undated but most likely from mid-late 1970, this was the first UK catalogue to show the new range of Japanese (Matsumoku) Epiphone guitars. Interestingly, these pages show the Epiphone solid bodies with a single-sided Fender-style headstock layout - a feature quickly replaced with a typical two-sided Epiphone headstock almost immediately. Epiphone electric guitars: 9520, 9525; bass guitars: 9521, 9526; acoustic guitars: 6730, 6830, 6834
1971 A World of Guitars by Rosetti catalogueScan of 1971 Rosetti catalogue (UK) featuring guitars from from numerous manufacturers worldwide: guitars by Epiphone, Hagstrom, Levin, Hoyer, Egmond, Eros, Moridaira, Kiso-Suzuki, Schaller, and Tatra.
1971 Selmer guitar catalogueScan of 1971 Selmer guitar catalogue showing the range of electric and acoustic guitars distributed by the company: guitars by Gibson, Yamaha, Selmer, Hofner and Suzuki. 1960s Selmer had always placed Hofner at the front end of their catalogues, no doubt these were the better sellers - but into the 1970s Hofner were slipping somewhat and only appear at the tail end of this publication, pride of place going to Gibson, and to a lesser extent Yamaha. In fact this is the last Selmer catalogue to include the many Hofner hollow bodies (Committee, President, Senator etc) that had defined the companies output for so many years - to be replaced in the 1972 catalogue by generic solid body 'copies' of Gibson and Fender models. A number of new Gibson models are included for the first time: the SG-100 and SG-200 six string guitars and the SB-300 and SB-400 basses.
1968 Selmer guitar catalogueScan of 1968/1969 Selmer guitar catalogue (printed July 1968), showing the entire range of electric and acoustic guitars distributed by the company: guitars by Hofner, Gibson, Selmer and Giannini. Selmer were the exclusive United Kingdom distributors of Hofner and Gibson at the time, and this catalogue contains a total of 18 electric guitars, 7 bass guitars, 37 acoustics, and 2 Hawaiian guitars - all produced outside the UK and imported by Selmer, with UK prices included in guineas. This catalogue saw the (re-)introduction of the late sixties Gibson Les Paul Custom and Les Paul Standard (see page 69) and the short-lived Hofner Club 70. Other electric models include: HOFNER ELECTRICS: Committee, Verithin 66, Ambassador, President, Senator, Galaxie, HOFNER BASSES: Violin bass, Verithin bass, Senator bass, Professional bass GIBSON ELECTRICS: Barney Kessel, ES-330TD, ES-335TD, ES-345TD, ES-175D, ES-125CD, SG Standard, SG Junior, SG Special GIBSON BASSES: EB-0, EB-2, EB-3 - plus a LOT of acoustics branded Gibson, Hofner, Selmer and Giannini
1961 Hofner Colorama IHofner Colorama was the name UK distributor Selmer gave to a series of solid and semi-solid guitars built by Hofner for distribution in the UK. The construction and specifications of the guitars varied over the period of production, but by 1961 it was a totally solid, double cutaway instrument, with a set neck, translucent cherry finish, six-in-a-row headstock, and Hofner Diamond logo pickups. Available as a single or dual pickup guitar, this sngle pickup version would have been sold in mainland Europe as the Hofner 161.
1971 Commodore N25 (Matsumoku)Commodore was a brand applied to a series of guitars produced in Japan at the well-respected Matsumoku plant from the late 1960s to the mid 1970s - and sold primarily (perhaps exclusively?) in the United Kingdom. The models bearing the Commodore name were all guitars available from different distributors with different branding. Although there may have been some minor changes in appointments (specifically headstock branding) most had the same basic bodies, hardware and construction. Equivalent models to the Commodore N25 (and this is by no means an exhaustive list) include the Aria 5102T, Conrad 5102T(?), Electra 2221, Lyle 5102T, Ventura V-1001, Univox Coily - and most famously the Epiphone 5102T / Epiphone EA-250.
1960 Hofner Colorama IIThe Hofner Colorama was the name given by Selmer to a series of solid (and semi-solid) body Hofner guitars distributed in the United Kingdom between 1958 and 1965. The Colorama name actually applied to some quite different guitars over the period, but in 1960 it was a very light, semi-solid, set necked guitar with one (Colorama I) or two (Colorama II, as seen here) Toaster pickups. Although an entry-level guitar, it was very well-built, and a fine playing guitar; certainly a step up (at least in terms of craftsmanship) from many of the Colorama guitars that would follow, and a good deal of the guitars available in Britain circa 1960.
1971 Epiphone 1820 (ET-280) bassBy the end of the 1960s, a decision had been made to move Epiphone guitar production from the USA (at the Kalamazoo plant where Gibson guitars were made), to Matsumoto in Japan, creating a line of guitars and basses significantly less expensive than the USA-built models (actually less than half the price). The Matsumoku factory had been producing guitars for export for some time, but the 1820 bass (alongside a number of guitar models and the 5120 electric acoustic bass) were the first Epiphone models to be made there. These new Epiphones were based on existing Matsumoku guitars, sharing body shapes, and hardware, but the Epiphone line was somewhat upgraded, with inlaid logos and a 2x2 peghead configuration. Over the course of the 70s, the Japanese output improved dramatically, and in many ways these early 70s models are a low point for the brand. Having said this, there are a lot worse guitars out there, and as well as being historically important, the 1820 bass can certainly provide the goods when required.
1981 Gibson MarauderProduction of Bill Lawrence's Gibson Marauder began in 1974, with production peaking in 1978. But by 1980 the model was officially discontinued, though very small numbers slipped out as late as spring 1981. Over 7000 examples shipped between 1974 and 1979, and although no totals are available for 1980 and 1981, it is unlikely production reached three figures in either of these years. These final Marauders were all assembled at the Gibson Nashville plant, and had some nice features not available through the later years of production, such as a rosewood fretboard, and in this case, an opaque 'Devil Red' finish. It's a great looking and fine playing guitar!