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Mahogany Explorer?

Mahogany Explorer?
« on: March 30, 2006, 06:53:00 PM »
1980's Gibson Explorer Bass with OHSC No Reserve! [EDIT: sold for $503]

Where these made from Mahogany. This one looks like it is?

Could be a nice project.

Mahogany Explorer?
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2006, 07:24:30 PM »
looks like Korina - which some explorers are known to be made of ... this one looks fishy to me though (neck fin not matching body fin, sloppy pup routes with non-gibson pups - looks like a Gibson neck set into a noname body.... or, best case scenario original body, stripped of fin and rerouted for new pups... the seller admits as much).  

I'd risk it (if I were interested in explorers) for about $200 (currently just over 100) but not much more than that.

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« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2006, 08:48:17 PM »
From What I remember Uwe saying is the were all Alder bodies for Gibson and the epi was mahogany with a paper thin Korina laminate on top.

Lets just say they grafted a Explorer neck on a new mahogany body. Sounds like a nice Fenderbird project, just drop in some of new chrome T bird pickups and you have a nice explorer F bird.

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« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2006, 02:07:10 PM »
If thats just a clear coat I would expect alder to be a lot lighter than that

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« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2006, 12:57:32 PM »
The ads at the time claimed that all eighties Exies had a maple neck and a body made of "US Hardwood". Looking at my two Explorers from the eighties, the redish wood underneath the solid fins certainly looks like mahogany and sounds like it too, i.e. subdued highs. I have a korina Explorer too, but that is a one-off from the custom shop. Not aware that they ever used korina for anything but their Explorer guitars on regular lines.

The Epi Exie claims to be korina body and mahogany neck, but we all know how that has to be taken with (more than) a pinch of salt. The wood on mine is not like anything I've seen, it is really soft and dent prone (not really a good idea for a bass as bulky as the Explorer), but it sounds great, beautifully resonant and blurry. Equipped with TB Plus pups as replacement for the original Epi pups (which were ok, but kind of lame), my long scale Epi Explorer now creams the Grabber-pupped and the piezo-equipped Gibson originals from the eighties I own into the ground.

Coming back to the question: I wouldn't rule out that that EBay Explorer has an original body, albeit stripped.  Whatever "US Hardwood" is, I have yet to see it on an Explorer.

Uwe

Mahogany Explorer?
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2006, 04:13:02 PM »
It's definitely some kind of mahogany. Price is going too high for a project with screwdriver chiseled pickup cavities.

Mahogany Explorer?
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2006, 06:02:38 AM »
I just stumbled onto this site today.  Been searching the web for Explorer bass info, as last night I bought the mahogany Explorer in question off ebay.  Bought it for myself, not for resale, because it was interesting.  Don't see many of these around.  If it wasn't stripped, we wouldn't suspect it's mahogany.  They were supposed to all be maple-necked and aldered-bodied.  I understand they came in black or cream only, which probably explains the black neck.  Will let you know if it was worth the price when I get it in a week or so.  Anyone know what type of pickups it originally came with?   In the few pictures I've seen, they are black with a raised "Gibson" logo.  Where to locate a set with rings?  I not finding much info on the net.   thanx
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Mahogany Explorer?
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2006, 06:13:21 AM »
ps.  After taking another look at the pictures on ebay.  It appears that it has a brass nut.   Sweet.  I have an Alembic with an adjustable brass nut.   What a great idea that was.   Can't understand why more guitars and basses didn't adopt that idea.  Price I guess.   Probably not standard on an Explorer, but there does seem to be a lot of Gibsons of that era with brass nuts.   Anyone know if it was standard on Explorer basses?
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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2006, 12:42:21 PM »
I would put chrome T bird pups in it that can be found here-

http://www.vintagebass.com/thedudepit/s ... ge=7&pp=10

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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2006, 03:05:04 PM »
Quote from: southhaven
They were supposed to all be maple-necked and aldered-bodied.


Hi southhaven, and welcome to the forum

congrats on the purchase. Will you refin, or leave as is?

I'm interested in the above statement - i'm not saying its not true, but would like to know why you say this? is it on a website, or some literature somewhere?

The only mention of explorer bass woods I can find at the moment is from the 86 catalog which (as Uwe stated earlier) lists maple neck and 'American hardwood' body - which could mean we'll make them from different hardwoods depending on finish, availability or some other factor....

I believe Korina is African, and therefore probably ruled out here....

Finishes listed in the June 84 price list are:
ebony, alpine white, red

June 85: as above, except red in now described as ferrari red, and custom graphics are available for extra $85 (those stripey ones)

I don't have the 86 pricelist - anyone?

Jules

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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2006, 07:57:35 PM »
Thanks for the welcome and the new info folks.  One site, a gibson catalog page (www.flyguitars.com/graphics/1986GibsonCatalogue2.jpg) said American hardwood bodies and maple necks.  The Harmony Central site (www.harmony-central.com/Bass/Data4/Gibs ... ass-1.html) has a couple reviewers who said theirs have alder bodies, maple necks and rosewood or ebony fretboards.  

From what little I've discovered, these basses were supposed to be through-necks, not set necks.  If that's true, then I'm thinking this Explorer is likely ALL mahogany.  Seems there are always exceptions out there.
 
What do I plan to do with it?  If it's been fubar'ed, I'll customize it with a clear conscience.  If it can be put back into stock condition, I will probably do that.   Since the body has been stripped and poorly refinned, I will probably strip it again, oil it or put a satin urethane on it.  If the neck is original black paint, will likely leave it.   It's hard to say what exactly what was done without seeing it in person.

Yeah, I like chrome T-bird P/Us also.  Especially with the T-bird tuners.
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« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2006, 02:34:07 AM »
So, I get the bass.  It's not bad.  It does appear to be mahogany.  Got out the 10x hand lens and used Bruce Hoadley's "Understanding Wood", which has macrophotographs and descriptions of various wood species.  Since it was stripped, it was easy to see the rays, vessels, pores, etc.

Not sure about the neck though.  A few tiny worn places look awfully light, like maybe a maple.  It also has the thin ridge where the body meets the neck in back, like a set neck.  I thought Explorers were supposed to neck-throughs.  When I strip the neck, it should become obvious.  

It has Shaller pups that sound pretty good, but I'd like to find a set of old nickel T-bird pups. Anyone know where I could find a set with rings?

I think some young yocal owned this bass once, as the pup routes were slightly enlarged and there a number of machine screws broken off that need to be tapped out.  I know the tap set I have is too big for this.  Any suggestions?

Oh yeah, I forgot, turns out it's a factory second.  Seems the seller didn't know what the "sec" meant on the back of the headstock.  I did talk to him and it was a mistake of ignorance.  Been there...more than once.  All in all, I still love the bass.  Sounds good, seems well balanced and feels good.  If I can just stop banging that pointy ass-end into things when I turn around.
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Mahogany Explorer?
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2006, 03:44:36 PM »
Nope - Explorers were set neck not neck thru.  Gibson, at the time, was using brass nuts on everything bass (my 81 Victory has one).  The original pups were Grabber pups (Uwe please confirm).  I saw a pair of them on ebay recently - might still be there.  TBplus (chrome or black plastic) would be a good choice - probably better than the original pups.  With them it'll sound (and kinda look) like a TBird.

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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2006, 09:36:22 PM »
Thanx for the info GG.  I had read they were neck-throughs...lots of conflicting info out there.  I did get some Explorer pups, but doubt the rings will cover the slightly enlarged routes.   I've seen oversized rings for LPs where humbuckers were swapped out for deluxe or P90s.  Ever seen any oversized rings for bass pups?   I would really like a set of the old chrome or nickel Tbird pups in, but am not finding any.  I think their rings would cover the routes.
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« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2006, 02:00:06 PM »
Quote from: southhaven
I would really like a set of the old chrome or nickel Tbird pups in, but am not finding any.  I think their rings would cover the routes.


They do come up on ebay every couple months - but always go for good money. The original grabber style pups always go for a lot less. I guess it depends how badly you want Tbird pups

Are you going to refinish it?

Jules

 

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