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Help with confirming age of EB3 and valuation please

Help with confirming age of EB3 and valuation please
« on: August 04, 2009, 09:35:45 PM »
Hi all,

I am hoping to confirm the date of my EB3 and hopefully gain an insight into current market value.

The bass was inherited by me a number of years ago, the previous owner removed the s/n from the rear of the headstock (along with the mute and the handrest), but I have managed to get the following numbers off one of the pots

1346215
BA811-1831
250K

I think, judging by previous posts, that this pot was made in week 15  of 1962. Can anyone confirm this by pot layout, headstock markings etc.

I had some wiring work done as someone, again not me, twisted the PSS whilst the retaining nut was loose. The end result was some wiring became detached and needed re-soldering. I had this done by my local guitar shop.

Here are a few images that may be of use to you. I can e-mail more detailed pictures if required.

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Thanks in advance

Ash

Re: Help with confirming age of EB3 and valuation please
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2009, 09:38:05 PM »
Further information,

The bass is in fulworking order. I play through a Hartke VX2515 with additional cab ant thi bass sounds amazing, very Jack Bruce (except my playing ability). Once you kick in the choke the low end rumble is amazing.

Ash

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Re: Help with confirming age of EB3 and valuation please
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2009, 03:25:56 AM »
Hi Ash,

nice bass.....

Yeah, that looks very much like a 1962 EB3. Your pot-reading is spot on.

You say the serial number has been removed... do you mean there has been some refinishing? Or has it been scratched off? Has the headstock been repaired? Any cracks where the neck meets the body? near the input jack? Original case? Anything not original?

It would most likely fetch somewhere between $1000 and $3000 depending on the answers above, where you sold it, and how long you were prepared to wait.

Re: Help with confirming age of EB3 and valuation please
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2009, 08:16:53 AM »
Hi Jules,

Firstly, thank you for aking the time to respond to my post, it is very much appreciated.

In answer to your queries, the serial number has been removed, you can see a black rectangle on the back of the headstock where the SN once lived. The headstock has not been repaired or refinished in any way. There is a slight cracking where the neck meets the body but I am almost certain this is simply the paintwork that has cracked only. No cracks near the input jack. As far as I am aware everything is original.
I have attached a couple more photos.

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I hope this helps.

Ash

Re: Help with confirming age of EB3 and valuation please
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2009, 02:14:00 PM »
So the bass I assume was stolen at one point. I'm not sure about value due to that.

Re: Help with confirming age of EB3 and valuation please
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2009, 04:07:06 PM »
Redbird,

Thanks for your response. I am sure the bass has not been stolen as it was owned from new by my sister in law, I have now inherited it from her. I have no idea why she removed the SN and I cannot find out for obvious reasons.

The bass was kept in a case in my mum and dads loft for quite a while, only within the last few years when I converted fom guitar to bass have I started using it a little. I still never use it on the road as some of the venues I play are unsavoury to say the least!!!

Any help you can offer would be very much appreciated.

Ash

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Re: Help with confirming age of EB3 and valuation please
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2009, 07:49:19 PM »
Quote from: ashbass
The bass was inherited by me a number of years ago, the previous owner removed the s/n from the rear of the headstock

why would anyone do that?

Re: Help with confirming age of EB3 and valuation please
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2009, 12:29:54 PM »
Only one reason that makes any sense, if has not been refinned.

Re: Help with confirming age of EB3 and valuation please
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2009, 09:31:48 AM »
I have a 62 EB3 which looks very simular to yours except for mine has a chrome plated plastic surround on the bridge pickup as per 61/62 unlike the slightly later black surrounds which might indicate it being slightly later but certaily pre 65.
Regarding the serial numbers being removed, regardless of reasons this has de valued the bass probably much more than a respray or neck repairs as it undermines the validity of the instrament regardless of its history. No idiot would remove a serial number from an expensive instrament unless its been stolen or the neck has been sevearly repaired which would show. There is something seriously ammis if the serial number is missing. It would still have value as a non traceble intrament but its value would certaily be at least halved if not less. If the bass had its intact serial number then its value would probably be in the region of 2K but without a serial number, it'll be hard to sell for under 1K although I'm sure there are some low life's that might spend a few bucks & carefully re stamp it & try & move it on as a genuine non tampered bass, as dumb as the idiot who removed it in the first place. What a shame as basically its a superb intrament that has been raped of its id.

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Re: Help with confirming age of EB3 and valuation please
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2009, 01:06:16 PM »
Hi and welcome 52. Got a picture to share?

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No idiot would remove a serial number from an expensive instrament unless its been stolen or the neck has been sevearly repaired which would show

No, you are right, but these have not always been regarded as expensive or collectable. Lots of the hack mods, bad repairs and dodgy refins were done at a time when these basses were out of fashion and going for peanuts compared to now. I bet a lot of people did things to their basses that they wish they hadn't now.

How many times have I heard about the EB2s that wouldn't sell for $200 not so long ago.

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Re: Help with confirming age of EB3 and valuation please
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2009, 06:00:09 PM »
EB2s were considered dogs and regularly sold for less than $200 within the last 15 years.  EB3s were considered just as big a dog too and would have sold for peanuts if not for the Jack Bruce hangover.  Still, near mint examples could have been bought at major retailers in the used department for less than $500 at least into the late 80s.

Never the less, and all the more, there is something about the stated history of this bass that seriously does not add up.  At all.

Aside from the obvious "mod" to the serial number area, the bass has had its knobs replaced, and it looks like a amateur repair to the neck joint at the heel.  Looking at the face of the headstock, it appears the witness line alongside the G from Gibson matches up to the back.  Having it in hand does allow a more accurate assesment of what is what, but at the very least this has been futzed with and probably a headstock repair.  As others have stated, this is typical of an instrument that was hot at some point, and far more plausible than someone's aunt having bought it new and stored it under a bed for so many years.  Maybe Auntie did buy it new, but someone played it hard, broke it, modified it, refinished the headstock obliterating the proof of ownership, and then gave it back a few years later before she put it away.

Nice bass though.
boom

Re: Help with confirming age of EB3 and valuation please
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2009, 02:00:37 PM »
**Are you selling this, Ash??
Les  (Coonman)

Definitely interested........in buying
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2009, 05:43:45 PM »
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Redbird,
 
Thanks for your response. I am sure the bass has not been stolen as it was owned from new by my sister in law, I have now inherited it from her. I have no idea why she removed the SN and I cannot find out for obvious reasons.
 
The bass was kept in a case in my mum and dads loft for quite a while, only within the last few years when I converted fom guitar to bass have I started using it a little. I still never use it on the road as some of the venues I play are unsavoury to say the least!!!
 
Any help you can offer would be very much appreciated.
 
Ash

Hi Ash-
This note is really a repeat of what I said earlier today, in a "personal message" to you, here on the forum.
I may well be interested in buying your old EB3 here.......I'd pay a fair price
for it; and not make a big issue of the defaced serial#, as most people seem to think that seriously de-values the instrument.  Not that big a deal, to me.
I'm actually trying to replace my very first EB3 that was stolen (New York)
back in 1972.
Please contact me either way...........Thanks very much
Coonman (Les)

 

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