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jules

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« on: December 04, 2008, 03:06:47 AM »
Here's a very rare finish for an EB0: a 1971 Ebony EB0

This is the first of these I can recall on ebay. And although it's hard to tell condition with black basses, it looks quite good.

I had no idea whether the 1971 ebonies were on the last split-headstock models, or the first maple-neck models. Well now we know about 1 of them.

Dave W

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« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2008, 05:37:59 AM »
Jules, what makes you think that's a '71? I've never seen a pre-'72 with the pickup moved from the end of the neck, and the 700000 s/n series was also used through '72.

Very nice, WAY overpriced.

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« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2008, 09:14:51 PM »
It's nice.  I want to see his EB-0F.  And, no - it is not on Craigslist in RI yet.
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71 or 72?
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2008, 09:18:25 PM »
Quote from: Dave W
Jules, what makes you think that's a '71? I've never seen a pre-'72 with the pickup moved


Well, I am making the assumption that this is not a refin.... 8 ebony EB0s were shipped in '71, then no more until '74 (by which time we would have had a three-point bridge) See the EB0 shipping figures

So, by finish alone we have
1) its a '71,
2) it's a refin,
3) shipping figures are wrong.... (in fact shipping figures may actually be production figures... in which case this could have been recorded half way through production, long before shipping)

all are possible, I have only seen the pics everyone else has..

But I believe the split headstock to solid headstock transition happened in late '71, although probably very late.

You say you have never seen a pre-'72 with moved pick.... but have you seen a '72 split headstock? Assuming the change wasn't absolute on new years eve, there must either be '72 split headstocks, or '71 solid headstocks (probably very small numbers of both).

I don't have time to scour through all my memorabilia to establish exactly what has formed my opinions... although, just off the top of my head I offer you this...

My '71 parts list, shows the schaller M-4-S tuners, which were not used until the 'moved pickup' EBs - it doesn't say what they are for, but the fact that they were in the factory in '71 suggests that even if none were yet shipped, they were at least being thought about

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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2008, 02:38:15 AM »
I saw an identical '72 (alleged '72, I didn't run the serial #) in a New Jersey music store less than a year ago. Same thing except it had "Gibson" embossed on the pickup cover, which I think was a '72 only thing.
The finish was definitely original.

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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2008, 02:41:56 AM »
I just scrolled down and saw that this bass has the "Gibson" on the pickup cover too!
Could even be the same bass. The NJ one didn't have the original chipboard case, it was in a Ripper case which was sold seperately, I think. The case could've obviously been added later, though.

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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2008, 02:53:07 AM »
It's possible, of course, but the seller seems to think it's a '71 based on a '70--'72 s/n and the absence of any ebonies in the '70 and '72 shipping totals book. Sorry, but when you have a bass that definitely wasn't in the catalog before '72, that's too much assumption for me.

Now if it has '71 pots, that would be different.

I don't know the answer, I just wouldn't accept it as a '71 based on that. Not when I've seen expert vintage dealers fooled by refins. Not when I've seen so many Gibson s/n oddities over the years. Not when we really don't know how accurate those shipping totals were.

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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2008, 04:10:03 AM »
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Now if it has '71 pots, that would be different.


Absolutely it would

However the pot code is 1377230.  :roll:

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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2008, 05:18:46 AM »
Ah. Well, then, if the finish is original, the shipping totals are obviously wrong.

 

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