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EB3 Pickup Question

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EB3 Pickup Question
« on: February 17, 2006, 03:39:35 AM »
I have a 1968 EB3. I love it. I was wondering if any of you knew why they used a minihumbucker in the bridge? Why not have two full size humbuckers or two mini humbuckers?

Don't worry, I'm not going to touch my '68, but the thought of a triple pickup SG bass is enticing. I've even done some work in photoshop. I think it would look awesome. It would be a beast. Maybe it'll be a project one of these days.

doom

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EB3 Pickup Question
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2006, 09:51:04 AM »
If Gibson would have put a Mudbucker in the bridge position there would'nt be as much alteration since the Mudbucker don't put out any treble period. They needed something to add treble but they wired the EB-3 so that the minibucker runs either by itself or along with the Mudbucker with the tone choke, so you can't have both sub bass and treble. Running the Mudbucker full throttle would probably cancel out most pickups anyway, maybe if you dial off some of the output from the Mudbucker it'll work.

Two minibuckers would most likely sound quite weak IMO.

jules

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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2006, 12:38:08 PM »
i've seen an EB on ebay (a couple years ago at least) that had 3 mudbuckers in a row.... Looked great, but as doom suggested, I doubt the sound difference would be that noticeable between them.

There are examples of custom order instruments and prototypes (the earliest ripper comes to mind) with two humbuckers. I've also seen an EB3 and an EB2 - both of which were claimed to be factory custom orders



I have recreated this ripper (although nobody knows whats under the scratchplate, so its not exact, plus I used an old alder ripper, rather than the even older maple one pictured) and even though it does sound cool, the difference between bridge and neck is far less than bridge and neck on an EB3

As you point they do look great with two humbuckers though!

jules

EB3 Pickup Question
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2006, 07:19:30 PM »
Quote from: doom
If Gibson would have put a Mudbucker in the bridge position there would'nt be as much alteration since the Mudbucker don't put out any treble period.


I know that we all like to say this as a joke but it is not actually true - turn the choke on and run up to the highest note you can find - there's plenty of treble response in a mudbucker.... it just gets overwhelmed by the extended low end unless the choke is on.  Granted the mudbucker response is not as extended in the top end as other pickups, but to say that it doesn't put out any treble is just innaccurate.

same thing (in reverse) for the mini - it has as much bass response as most other bass pickups - the reason many people find it thin is because Gibson stuck it right up against the bridge, where there's very little bass to pick up.... and when compared to the mud, well, nothing compares to the mud favorably in terms of bass response.

There is in existance a stock dual-mud equiped EB2(D).  The owner is very happy with it.

Re: eb3 humbuckers
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2006, 07:24:49 PM »
Quote from: jules
There are examples of custom order instruments and prototypes (the earliest ripper comes to mind) with two humbuckers. I've also seen an EB3 and an EB2 - both of which were claimed to be factory custom orders



I have recreated this ripper (although nobody knows whats under the scratchplate, so its not exact, plus I used an old alder ripper, rather than the even older maple one pictured) and even though it does sound cool, the difference between bridge and neck is far less than bridge and neck on an EB3

As you point they do look great with two humbuckers though!

jules


Ripper pups and mudbuckers are both sidewinders - it is conceivable that that those pups on that proto-ripper are ripper pups, but with mudbucker-style covers on or that they intended to use the mud on the Ripper but decided to tone down the pups for more top end.  This would have been done by taking a mudbucker chassis and using a thinner gauge of coil wire and/or fewer windings

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Re: eb3 humbuckers
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2006, 08:58:48 PM »
Quote from: Granny Gremlin
it is conceivable that that those pups on that proto-ripper are ripper pups, but with mudbucker-style covers on or that they intended to use the mud on the Ripper but decided to tone down the pups for more top end.  This would have been done by taking a mudbucker chassis and using a thinner gauge of coil wire and/or fewer windings


absolutely - I have no idea whats under the covers of that prototype

I did a side by side test with Rumblekat who has an alder ripper original spec - and the differences  were small. Yes the humbuckers were louder (a bit) implying more turns, but I wouldn't say there was too much difference with actual sound. There was some difference though, and when my custom job is complete, i'll post some soundclips - recorded under the same conditions as a normal ripper.

I feel the reason Gibson moved over to plastic pups may have been as much to do with reducing production costs as anything else....

 

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