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SeanS

New on scene with my EB3
« on: September 07, 2008, 01:00:42 PM »
Hi, I'm a newbie from the UK and have just purchased an EB3 1970 slot head. I have looked through the forum and found some very informative stuff.
          I'm just going through the bass and all its functions, but one thing is really bugging me, turn to position 1 and the bass is putting out so much power and low freq that its impossible to cope with the volume and not sure whether the room will fall apart before the speakers, all other positions are fine and pickup height is very low, is it me or is this a quirk of the bass, just seems there is no relavance to the other settings at all.

Cheers, Sean.

EB-3 position 1
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2008, 08:37:35 PM »
Yeah, on all EB-3s, position 1 makes you fear that the Earth might fall off it's axis!

I always keep the basses' neck pickup volume control turned down enough to keep this from occurring.

Re: EB-3 position 1
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2008, 08:44:54 PM »
Quote from: guitarshark
Yeah, on all EB-3s, position 1 makes you fear that the Earth might fall off it's axis!


Ha---that's a classic answer!  I'm going to remember that one.
Huh?

New on scene with my EB3
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2008, 11:22:23 PM »
Welcome to the forum Sean and nice to hear from another slothead EB-3 player, I love love mine.

Position 1 always makes my guitar player feel disorientated and sick so I use that position during solos sometimes just for a laugh  :twisted:

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EB3 rumble
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2008, 12:10:41 AM »
I sometimes turn down the volume a shade in rehearsals when I go to that position; I think it depends on your amp, and maybe room acoustics...

I haven't done a side by side test, but I get the feeling 10" cones give less of a difference than a single 15" cone. I know the volume difference is huge on a 15" Kustom bass amp they have at a local rehearsal room, but often a lot less in other situations. Perhaps it is the small room?

At a recent soundcheck in a hall I turned the vol to 8 (from 10) when I went to pos 1- the engineer said to turn back up - the two volumes were ok without turning down

SeanS

New on scene with my EB3
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2008, 01:17:59 AM »
Wow, thanks guys, perfect answers, I now feel normal and at ease..... and also ready to wreak havoc on my band mates :twisted:. I really couldn't believe so much power was coming out :shock:. Havent got a rehersal for a while, but it will give me time to find my feet with the EB
Its a pleasure to join in, cheers, Sean.

New on scene with my EB3
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2008, 01:22:32 AM »
Position 1 always makes my guitar player feel disorientated and sick so I use that position during solos sometimes just for a laugh  :twisted:

There's some truth to that. It's said that Extra Low Frequencies at a high enough volume can cause physically illness and even loss of bowel control.
The military has studied the weapon potential of ELF...perhaps they should consider mudbuckers as lethal weapons!

BTW, I've yet to hear an amp or speaker cab that could handle pos. 1. Hard to fathom what tone model Gibson had in mind back then when they designed the EB-3  circuit, especially considering the bass amp "technology" of the time. A tuba, as opposed to Fender's string bass?

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New on scene with my EB3
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2008, 09:32:37 AM »
yes position 1 (tonechoke) is pretty useless and much louder...it is actualy only a loud muffled tone.

on my EB3 I have put the tonechoke out of the circuit (electronicaly). This results in a more bassy neck pickup sound, like the EB-0. But I found that in the orginal configuration the neck pickup was more useful used standalone with the tonechoke still in the circuit. With the tonechoke removed it has more bass so it sounds too muddy for me standalone.
BUT if you blend the two pickups (position 3) it actualy sounds better than the original configuration.
Combined with the more treble and mid sound of the bridge pickup you get a nice full (but still clear) sound a la Mr. Bruce.

I always play the EB3 in the 'blend' position 3, I never use one pickup standalone.

SeanS

New on scene with my EB3
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2008, 11:20:15 AM »
Quote from: guitarshark
Position 1 always makes my guitar player feel disorientated and sick so I use that position during solos sometimes just for a laugh  :twisted:

There's some truth to that. It's said that Extra Low Frequencies at a high enough volume can cause physically illness and even loss of bowel control.
The military has studied the weapon potential of ELF...perhaps they should consider mudbuckers as lethal weapons!

BTW, I've yet to hear an amp or speaker cab that could handle pos. 1. Hard to fathom what tone model Gibson had in mind back then when they designed the EB-3  circuit, especially considering the bass amp "technology" of the time. A tuba, as opposed to Fender's string bass?


I fear many speaker systems have been given their early deaths with pos 1, and almost mine too, as my brother picked up my new toy to try out :) my smile turned to panicked fear as he selects the different pup pos heading for pos 1 at which I screamed nnooooo.

SeanS

New on scene with my EB3
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2008, 11:49:26 AM »
Quote from: barend
yes position 1 (tonechoke) is pretty useless and much louder...it is actualy only a loud muffled tone.

on my EB3 I have put the tonechoke out of the circuit (electronicaly). This results in a more bassy neck pickup sound, like the EB-0. But I found that in the orginal configuration the neck pickup was more useful used standalone with the tonechoke still in the circuit. With the tonechoke removed it has more bass so it sounds too muddy for me standalone.
BUT if you blend the two pickups (position 3) it actualy sounds better than the original configuration.
Combined with the more treble and mid sound of the bridge pickup you get a nice full (but still clear) sound a la Mr. Bruce.

I always play the EB3 in the 'blend' position 3, I never use one pickup standalone.


I am thinking this is the way to go, but my EB3 is mint, so to mess with the wiring would be a bitter pill to swallow, although I have read that some have completely removed the whole wiring system pots n all to preserve for possible refitting at a later date. This I think would be my way to go.

I would like to go into the sound of Andy Fraser and others here, but I feel its a subjet that deserves another thread, as this is something I searched for on my first visit here.......so here goes a new thread.

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varitone position 1
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2008, 03:48:29 PM »
Quote from: guitarshark
Hard to fathom what tone model Gibson had in mind back then when they designed the EB-3  circuit, especially considering the bass amp "technology" of the time. A tuba, as opposed to Fender's string bass?


Well Gibsons employees all seemed to be into bluegrass and jazz back then. I always got the impression that a bass was viewed in that light... the jug in a jugband... two note country thump basslines. If you weren't playing a lot of notes you certainly don't need much note clarity. Just the oomph.

In the bands i've been in, position 1 works great with a quieter band. In one project the lead instrument was a flute with subtle clean-sounding lead guitar. As soon as guitarists start adding distortion and playing chords the sound muddies up and the bass gets lost. In such cases I change to position 2 or 3.

SeanS

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« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2008, 08:58:23 AM »
Just been fiddling with the EB yesterday and thought I may replace the Nylon bridge saddles with some homemade brass ones fretted out from some 1/8 plate, or are the original metal ones still available, would save some time, but its nice sometimes to have an excuse to escape to the workshop and they should be sonically better than a die casting too.

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« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2008, 01:45:32 PM »
Quote from: SeanS
are the original metal ones still available


There are some quite similar ones available, but not exactly the same. These are the obnes that come with the 3 point bridge replicas that are around.

You may be able to convert them to fit, but if you have the facilities to make your own, that would probably be the best and easiest thing really

Re: varitone position 1
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2008, 02:59:54 PM »
Quote from: jules
Quote from: guitarshark
Hard to fathom what tone model Gibson had in mind back then when they designed the EB-3  circuit, especially considering the bass amp "technology" of the time. A tuba, as opposed to Fender's string bass?


Well Gibsons employees all seemed to be into bluegrass and jazz back then. I always got the impression that a bass was viewed in that light... the jug in a jugband... two note country thump basslines. If you weren't playing a lot of notes you certainly don't need much note clarity. Just the oomph.

It's possible that Gibson had in mind a sort of hi-fi woofer and tweeter arrangement, given the huge tonal discrepancy between the EB-3's mubucker and bridge mini humbucker.
Not a bad idea, but their Varitone design didn't really allow for getting the woof and tweet simultaneously!

 

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