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My EB3 Project

My EB3 Project
« on: May 22, 2008, 09:02:29 AM »
After nearly 20 years apart I recently reacquired my first bass,
an EB3 which I believe might date to around '72.

I rescued it from someone who stopped some years ago while in the process of,
umm... fixing it up
("pimp" was the actual term he used)
and it's in need of more than a little TLC-





More gruesome pics are available HERE.

I don't plan on trying to restore it as much as just bring it back to life.

My son, Nick, also plays
and I'd like to pass it on to him for his sixteenth birthday next year.
(The same age I was when I originally got it)

I found some of the other project threads posted here highly encouraging
and as this one evolves I imagine I'll have more than a few questions for you all regarding parts,
repair techniques, etc.
I'd also like to be able to share the progress with you as well.

As you can see,
I've got my work cut out for me,
so any advice would be greatly appreciated!
 :D
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My EB3 Project
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2008, 10:19:03 AM »
The headstock repair shouldn´t be that difficult if there is not much wood missing. Otherwise a new neck could be the better solution (there is a dealer on ebay who sells NOS 70s Gibson bass necks from time to time).
If you stay with the old neck I´d advise you to finish the bass white. This color will let wood imperfections disappear.

Allparts offers the original style EB pickups. But it will be difficult to get an original-sized mounting ring for the neck pickup.

The tuners were originally made by Schaller and they are still available! Gibson used 2 different models in the early 70s.
1) BMC (current ref.no.527), 4 mounting holes per tuner  
2) M4-S tuners (ref.no.538), 2 holes

Good sources for pickguards are WD or Pickguard heaven , sometimes ebay
http://www.wdmusicproducts.com
http://pickguards.us/pricegibsonand.html

Difficult to say which bridge you should use. Buying an original one would be expensive. I have seen EBs with Badass bridges. But if you want an original style bridge you should use a Schaller 460.

If you need more info on the Schaller parts, let me know. I have a catalog here.

Best wishes and good luck with your project,
Adrian

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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2008, 05:15:25 PM »
The pup rings are available as repro close-enough versions from Jeannie's pickugards.  I haven't used their stuff, but the guy (Roger) was on a couple of boards asking for input, and they sell on ebay.   I would avoid the 460 as it isn't accurate for this bass, and when you can track down a version it may or may not be a headache.  The pimping wasn't too bad, as the pups can be routed back.  Good luck.
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My EB3 Project
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2008, 05:31:44 AM »
Thanks for the info!
I'll be needing a pickguard and backcover plate.

I glued up the headstock this afternoon.
It was a clean break and slid together real nice.
It's still under the clamp for now.

I've got a line on some original EB-0 pickups
and some elephant ear/open gear tuners,
I also have a BadAss on the way.

There are a few anomolies with this one though:

The headstock was originally matching cherry stained like the body,
white painted "Gibson" logo
with a black pinstripe around the outside edge.
Haven't seen one like that.
All I've seen are black faced.

Quote from: sunburst59er
Gibson used 2 different models in the early 70s.
1) BMC (current ref.no.527), 4 mounting holes per tuner  
2) M4-S tuners (ref.no.538), 2 holes


The headstock shows holes for 2 screws at the bottom of the tuner plates
and 1 at the top
(here it looks like 2 holes at the top, but they are just dents)-



That's not shown on the Gibson site at all.

Do these details mean anything to anyone?
 :D
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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2008, 10:33:05 PM »
boom

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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2008, 10:38:45 AM »
Thanks for the link.

I've researched there before.
No mention of a cherry stained headstock
or three screw tuners.
 :?:

I also looked into the Schaller M4 tuners.
From what I've read HERE
they require a 7/16" hole.

This headstock clearly has 9/16" peg holes
and the originals were the Kluson 538 'elephant ear' tuners.

Anyone know if they required a 9/16" hole
and would the mount bushing hold the M4s in place in a 9/16" hole?


Oh, and I grabbed a pickguard HERE.
Pretty competative pricing if you're in the market!
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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2008, 12:48:20 AM »
Gonzo with a Gibson? Will wonders never cease! :wink:

The Schaller M4S was standard, its dimensions are quite different from the M4. Note that the hole should be even larger than 9/16"

Compare:
M4S
M4

These technical drawings are from Schaller's own website so I think they can be trusted.

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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2008, 07:37:08 PM »
Thanks Dave!

I had to go dig out the metric ruler,
but I can see the difference there.
 :D
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Re: My EB3 Project
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2009, 05:56:22 PM »
Finally have the parts list together
and did a test fit the other day
(...that didn't take long. Did it? :D )-











The thumbrest shown was an option
but it went back into the parts box.

Still not happy with the strength of the repair to the input jack
and need to reinforce it from inside the route.
Also have to drill for the 3 point.
Then do more sanding, more sanding and more sanding.

...but it's getting a little closer
and wanted to share the progress.
 8)
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Re: My EB3 Project
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2009, 07:30:22 AM »
Looking good!  Don't forget to turn the bridge around before you drill for the post holes.  :wink:

EDIT:  I see you already have holes for the bridge...This one had an evertilt originally, huh?

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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2009, 12:42:14 AM »
Looks like the restoration is coming along well.  8)

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« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2009, 12:58:09 AM »
Quote from: GonzoBass
Do these details mean anything to anyone?
:D

yeah, sorry this isn't a Gibson.

If you look through the Gallery you posted a link to, there are a few basses that are close copies, and not Gibsons.

This one is a good example


It has just had a Gibson logo attached

There are a lot of differences if you start looking, but the bridge is the most noticeable give away. I suspect your bass may be one of these.

Re: My EB3 Project
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2009, 09:24:28 PM »
Quote from: jules
yeah, sorry this isn't a Gibson.
This was brought to my attention Jules.
I was told it was a copy from "The Bad Old Days".
 :lol:

We still have a history though
so I'm going to do the best with what I've got,
which is a vintage, err... something.
 :roll:  :P

Quote from: hollowbody
Don't forget to turn the bridge around before you drill for the post holes. :wink:

Wellllll....
Actually, those are the holes for the original bridge.
So I either have to redrill
or look at other bridge options.
 :oops:
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Re: My EB3 Project
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2009, 01:27:33 PM »
Looks great, nice job. Project basses are so much more fun then just buying one.

 

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