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EB-0 mystery

EB-0 mystery
« on: May 09, 2008, 02:58:13 PM »
Hey y'all.

A couple of nights ago I picked up a cool vintage Gibson EB-0 that I'm very psyched about. I am trying to pinpoint the date of manufacture, and am baffled.

The Gibby serial number (#510XXX) is either '66 or '68, depending on which source you go to. Yes, I understand this is the least accurate way to try and date a 60's Gibby.

The pots date to '67.

Here's the confusing part...it has the screw holes for the (missing) thumbrest which I understand was discontinued in late '67 in favor of the saddle bridge and it's corresponding cover. I have the saddle bridge (with mute) but there's no cover, no holes in the wood where the cover would have been mounted (photos lead me to believe), and no sign that an older-style bridge was replaced.

Any thoughts?


EB-0 mystery
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2008, 03:37:38 PM »
I wonder if at some point someone swapped the bridge at one point?

Is that possible to do?

EB-0 mystery
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2008, 03:49:45 PM »
While browsing thru old archived posts here, i found this thread about crack damage
http://forums.vintageguitarandbass.com/showthread.php?606-Gibson-EBO-66
where the guy has some photos of his alleged '66...one happens to be of exactly the area in question...and he's got the same setup...saddled bridge, no cover holes, (missing) handrest.



Mine's got no cracks tho, so it's not a previous owner.

EB-0 mystery
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2008, 04:13:00 PM »
It's a late '67/early '68. I guess Gibson were in transition from the "bar" type bridge with no cover and the handrest in the center to the adjustable nylon saddle bridge with cover and no handrest...I'm sure it's stock, although I've never seen another one.
An interesting little piece of Gibson bass history.
It wouldn't be the only EB bridge oddity out there...I remember about 10 years ago at Outlaw Guitars they had a '59 or '60 slab Les Paul bodied EB-0 with a totally original '60s Thunderbird bridge and tailpiece!
That bass was purchased by former Vintage Guitar Magazine bass columnist John Slog who featured it in an article. Very bizarre, yet 100% factory stock
So this anomaly doesn't surprise me in the least.

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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2008, 05:36:53 PM »
I remember that John Slog article, still have it somewhere in my stacks of old VG issues. IIRC he thought it was a prototype. The bridge certainly predated the T-Bird.

EB-0 with T-Bird bridge
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2008, 07:50:40 PM »
Obviously, the bridge predates the T-Bird, yeah. I think a lot of Gibson's hardware was made for them by Kluson, so hard to say how long it was around. In the early '80s someone told me they got into the then-defunct Kluson plant and bought up a bunch of stuff: Gibson "lyre" trem tailpieces,tune-o-matic bridges, etc.
That bass was probably a "test bed" for the new bridge. Who knows why they didn't use it, since it's superior to the non adjustable "bar" bridge that they did use.

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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2008, 05:39:30 PM »
I agree that this eb0 is an early switch over.  My assumption is that Gibson always planned to use the cover over the bridge, but at least for a short while used up the old ornamental pieces of metal which may have been a sort of hand rest.  I have seen these variants before but maybe I could count them on one hand.

I too have seen either the same 60ish EB0 with Tbird bridge set up, or one like it.  It was at a vintage shop in New Jersey about 1988ish?  I forget the shop but they had a 53 Duo Jet with the script logo which stood out as being two real odd balls in one place.

If I had to guess why they did not use it, I would suggest the lack of room to work with that on the 30" scale and small body. It was pretty damn cramped, and the SG body they were probably already planning to switch to wasn't going to give them a lot of room or stability with 4 holes being drilled into it.  Plus, the saddle travel on those basses (if installed properly) would have been minor and almost not worth the bother for the "close enough" intonation that was very acceptable for the short scale mudbuckers and the musicians who liked the murky upright feel back then.  It might explain why the Tbirds had their bridges installed a bit off.  If they had used measurements from an old EB0 and just used the template on a Tbird - TA-DAH! - bridge angle won't work to intonate.[/url]
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« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2008, 05:58:58 PM »
There was another "transitional" '67-ish EB-0 like that on Ebay a while back.  It caught my eye, and I had saved this picture of it:

Regards,
Joe

T-Bird bridge location
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2008, 06:16:07 AM »
I think I have figured out why the bridges on '60s T-Birds are improperly located
It's because of the mute. The brass mute piece on a T-Bird bridge fits EXACTLY in the space between the bridge pickup on a T-Bird IV and the bridge in the "off" location. If the bridge were in the right spot, the mute wouldn't fit or the bridge pickup would have to be moved back towrds the neck a bit.
SInce a mute was viewed as an essential feature on a bass guitar at the time, Gibson must have opted to compromise intonation rather than omit the mute or alter the bridge pickup's location!

 

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