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« on: March 15, 2008, 09:09:49 PM »
I would like to know if there is anyone who can make me a PAF sized 4 pole humbucker pickup for my bass in the "what do we have here (orhpeum les paul style bass)" thread. The bridge pickup is pretty weak when set very low. I like a low action and like to slap aggressively, and get a popping noise. So far i have in mind darkstars (too expensive for my cheap tastes) and rail-polepiece guitar humbuckers (probably too guitary) and gretsch bass pickups. Anybody have any suggestions. And please don't just tell me to buy a better bass until you break into my house and play it.
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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2008, 03:45:45 AM »
The Rio Grande Pitbull is a standard guitar humbucker sized bass pickup. It doesn't have visible polepieces but someone here (Redbird, I think) contacted Rio Grande and they claim it's two single coil P-bass size bobbins ('51 style) under that cover. But I suspect that the bobbins have rails instead of polepieces.

DiMarzio still makes the X2N-B, the bass version of their X2N, it's not in their regular catalogue but it's available through their custom shop as a special order. It's not a 4-polepiece pickup -- it's twin-rail -- but it is a very high output  PAF-size humbucker designed for bass.

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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2008, 04:49:15 AM »
Quote from: Dave W
The Rio Grande Pitbull is a standard guitar humbucker sized bass pickup. It doesn't have visible polepieces but someone here (Redbird, I think) contacted Rio Grande and they claim it's two single coil P-bass size bobbins ('51 style) under that cover. But I suspect that the bobbins have rails instead of polepieces.


That's what they told me too when I bought one (re: the '51 P bobbins).  Not sure about the polepieces... didn't look before I installed it.  I'm sure they'll tell you if you call them up - real friendly folks.

The tone reminds me of a growly precision.  Hot output, vintage tone.  It gets especially ornery in HB mode.  I have it installed in the sweet spot of my Ampeg, with a push/pull pot to tap the coils:



Nice pickup.  I'd do it again.
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Joe

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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2008, 08:11:09 PM »
I have a set of Pitbulls and the pole pieces are regular pole pices, not rails. I simply used a small screwdriver to check the magnetic field and there are eight spots on each pickup.

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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2008, 03:07:42 AM »
Interesting. But is the polepiece spacing narrower than a single coil P bass? Seems to me that it would have to be, or else the poles for the outer strings would be closer to the edge of the pickups than normal. A real single coil P bass pickup bobbin is wider than the cover of a standard humbucker.

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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2008, 12:56:52 PM »
Right now the pitbulls are looking pretty good, and so are the rio grande powerbuckers (except i'd have to chop up my bass for the powerbucker). I'm not sure when i'm going to make a move, but if I do, I'll let you know what I picked. By the way chromium, your bass is sick!
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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2008, 08:10:39 PM »
You could also try EMG HB. They also are a P split rail in a humbucker case, riginaly made for Steinberger basses. I have one in my grabber, with a model J, and it kicks. Its hard to find the HB's sometimes, but they have the exact specs as their model P.

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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2008, 08:11:24 PM »
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my Ampeg.


digging that Joe - really nice!

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« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2008, 08:14:56 PM »
Dr Bassman posted a link to some chrome covered Fralin Pickups???

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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2008, 11:49:28 PM »
Quote from: anyfour
You could also try EMG HB. They also are a P split rail in a humbucker case, riginaly made for Steinberger basses. I have one in my grabber, with a model J, and it kicks. Its hard to find the HB's sometimes, but they have the exact specs as their model P.
If they are passive, maybe. But aren't EMGs usually active? I'd really like to not have to convert this old thing to active.
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« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2008, 02:16:24 PM »
These babies are reputed to be really hot bass pickups

http://www.zzounds.com/item--DIMX2NBKF

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« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2008, 10:03:25 PM »
Thanks redbird for throwing in another choice. Those x2n-b look really hot, but how hot is TOO HOT? Is there even such a thing as too hot?
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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2008, 05:02:28 AM »
Is there even such a thing as too hot?

In the land of the mudbucker?  HA!

These things throw out 13k, which really is not that hot compared to most bass pickups.  It should do fine for bass, but if you are clicking off the pup you have, clanging strings off the exposed rail on this will be downright nasty.
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« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2008, 04:17:39 PM »
The X2N in the zZounds listing isn't a bass pickup, it is the guitar version of the X2N-B that I mentioned above. Not that the X2N wouldn't work in a bass.

The X2N-B hasn't been in Dimarzio's catalog for a few years. But if you go to http://dimarzio.com/site/#/faq/ then to Pickup FAQ then to Do You Still Make?, you'll find this: "DP125 - X2N-B™  - Available from DiMarzio Custom Shop *Special Order"

IIRC, it was wound to about 17K. Considering the size of a HB bobbin, that's very high, and it's probably #44AWG, you couldn't get enough #42 on there to get that kind of DC resistance reading. It's very overwound, strong bass and mids but if you're looking for lots of clear highs, forget it.

The DC resistance of any pickup is only useful when you're comparing it with other pickups of the same bobbin size. 17K on a Gibson EB-series mudbucker would be underwound with Gibson's typical #42 wire, even more so if it were 17K with #44 wire. Hope that makes some sense, but it takes less wire of a smaller gauge (higher number gauge) to reach the same resistance as a larger gauge.

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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2008, 08:18:56 PM »
Quote from: eb2
Is there even such a thing as too hot?

In the land of the mudbucker?  HA!

These things throw out 13k, which really is not that hot compared to most bass pickups.  It should do fine for bass, but if you are clicking off the pup you have, clanging strings off the exposed rail on this will be downright nasty.


there is no mudbucker in this bass, just an old ibanez/maxon thing. And the problem is that this DOES have exposed polepieces, and its weak, so to get a full enough sound the pickup has to be real close to the strings, and the whole PU is metal so imho it picks up more fingerslap than a plastic covered one with a rail would.
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