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« on: February 29, 2008, 11:55:53 AM »
I've got a 67 Gibson EB-3 that I've finally decided to let go of.  I've had it for almost 30 years and it only had one other owner.  I went unplugged over 20 years ago.  I know that ebay seems to be the appropriate listing venue, but I wondered if people have strategies that have worked more effectively for selling vintage guitars.  Are there specific pics prospective buyers are looking for?  Cosmetically, mine is great compared to things I have seen selling, but I would hate to make a claim of how good this was relative to other guitars.  

Thanks for any insights,

Brian

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« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2008, 03:19:35 PM »
Hi Brian,

There are some spots that are nice to have detailed pictures of, namely:

> The neck/body joint - cracks, repairs, and sloppy neck resets lower the value, so if there is any question, or if people can't see what is going on around this area, it probably won't get bid as high.

> The back of the headstock and neck, esp. around the area of the nut - this is a structural weak spot.  The mahogany necks are brittle, and when these basses fall off a stand, they often become headless.  You see a lot of them with repairs.  Not necessarily bad, but lowers the value.  Again, if people can't see clearly what the condition is, they will bid assuming the worst.  If you have a tripod and camera that can do a macro setting - where you can capture extreme closeups, that would make for some killer pics of the typical problem areas.  If people can see that woodgrain up close, its easier to see that no strucural repairs have been done.

> Inside the control cavity (requires removing the cover plate) - there are some components like the varitone and the choke that are challenging to find suitable replacements for; therefore, it's helpful to see that everything in the control cavity is original and unmolested.

As for the auction, make it so it does not have an end time of 3AM on Tuesday.  That's how I bought my clean '68/69 for $1025.  That and bad pics.  Ending times on a weekend afternoon ensure that everyone is awake to bid your bass up in the last few minutes of the auction (a lot of people still do that manually).  I also find that setting high starting bids or reserves can be counterproductive.  It's a leap of faith, but if you set a $1 start and let the frenzy take over, the basses usually get bid up higher - at least in my experiences.

Hope this helps.  Good luck!!
Regards,
Joe

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« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2008, 03:28:56 PM »
Here's an example picture using the tripod/macro setting:



Take the bass outside, using indirect natural light to shoot.  The tripod stabalizes the camera so you don't have to touch it when the shutter is open - and the pics come out really clear.  I'm not a photographer at all - I'm very inconsistent with my pictures, but this little thing has helped me a lot.

You see so many auctions out there with absolutely hideous pictures.  When one comes along with nice pictures, it really stands out in the crowd - and you will see the difference in your selling price.
Regards,
Joe

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« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2008, 03:53:42 PM »
Clear pics of the headstock and neckjoint, as well as the neck in general, are a must.  Front and back full shots are great.  In short, pay the extra $2 to have a few pics on there, but not a bunch of grainy or extraneous pictures.  That and a detailed, honest description will get you the most response.  And besides the $1 opening bid (that works the best) don't ship to Indonesia.  Save the headache.
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« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2008, 05:05:18 PM »
Another area to photograph is under the truss rod cover - the tip of the truss rod can snap off sometimes, and people will want to see if this has happened

Remember to photograph the case too if it has one!

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« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2008, 08:37:02 PM »
One trick for adding photos to your auction is to use a free image hosting service like Photobucket, upload all your pictures there, and then you can embed links to the photos right in the auction text.  That way, you don't have to pay Ebay additional money for this service.  My little way of sticking it to the man (or woman)!  8)  (for a whole two dollars  :roll:  :D  )

Just use this format for each pic, substituting the web address that points to your picture, and they will appear right in your auction:

   <IMG src="http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k125/0chromium0/ebay/rs6000/DSCF4156.jpg">

And you can put

(paragraph) tags in between each picture to insert a blank space, so it looks tidy.
Regards,
Joe

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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2008, 02:33:46 PM »
Hi Chromium, I'm in the market for another bass, would you be interested in selling to me? Do you know how much you're looking to sell it for? By all means pm me if you like.

G
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2008, 06:10:33 AM »
Quote from: RUMBLEKAT
Hi Chromium, I'm in the market for another bass, would you be interested in selling to me? Do you know how much you're looking to sell it for? By all means pm me if you like.

G
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I'd sell to you in a flash, but I'm keeping mine!  :wink: it's bjl23 who's looking to sell the EB-3.

That's another tip - decide on your price, skip Ebay, and post some pictures of the EB-3 here. :D  Plenty of aficionados in the midst!
Regards,
Joe

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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2008, 07:13:29 AM »
chromium wrote: I'd sell to you in a flash, but I'm keeping mine!  it's bjl23 who's looking to sell the EB-3.


Doh!, sorry I misread the thread  :oops: . I'll try again, Brian how much are you looking for for the EB-3? I'm interested.

G

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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2008, 01:39:33 PM »
Thanks for everyone's input so far.  These are great suggestions. Perhaps the forum is the best way to keep this in the family is to start here.  I will post pictures later this week.  The idea of outside lighting was great.   I kept getting a washout from the flash reflection from the tuning nuts.  

Rumblekat, I'll PM you to check in late tonight or tomorrow.

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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2008, 09:44:37 PM »
Hey Brian, I'm still interested but I thought you were going to pm me?   :?

G

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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2008, 10:41:54 AM »
Also sent you a pm about the bass, please do email me when you have a second, thanks! Oli

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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2008, 07:34:20 PM »
It has taken longer to get pics taken outside, we had 6 inches of snow and its been quite ugly outside otherwise.  I havent done anything on the ebay front either.  Bear with me, I'll be back soon enough with pics!

Brian

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« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2008, 09:44:01 PM »
Here are pics from I took today.  I took off the truss rod cover and wouldnt you know, that was the lousiest picture overall.  I will do that one over.  The Serial # is burnished on the back 005996 dating it to 1967 with a solid head.  The snapshots of the back show that the gloss is still there, only a few scratches.  There is a minor indentation along the neck halfway and I am missing a screw for the cover plate on the back.  Otherwise, pretty good shape. Feel free to email me comments.  I will try to take one more snapshot of the truss rod cover area, it doesnt look mangled, one should still be able to turn a wrench on the nut there.  These are my first image uploads so its also a test to see whether they are observable.  Thanks for your patience.  

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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2008, 11:09:14 PM »
Nice looking EB-3 Brian, I've been on the look out for one from that era for a while. Please PM me with a price as I would like the opportunity to purchase.  :)

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