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dimarzio for an epiphone rivoli?

dimarzio for an epiphone rivoli?
« on: February 28, 2008, 07:36:22 PM »
I have an epiphone rivoli (a90s reissue). Like we all know: the pickup in this beast isn't any good. So I'm thinking of replacing it. But, here in Europe, vintage replacement mudbuckers are hard to find and on eBay they're most of all very expensive for a 600 à 700 euros bass.
I'm offered a Dimarzio replacement. What do you think of this replacements? Way to go or ...? All suggestions are welcome.

dimarzio for an epiphone rivoli?
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2008, 08:14:53 PM »
I like Dimarzios. They do have a different tone than originals, and are usualy hotter, with more bite, but still retain a decent semblance of what the original pickup was designed for. I would go for it if you hate the original mudbucker. Cant be worse.

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dimarzio for an epiphone rivoli?
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2008, 08:19:43 PM »
I agree -- the Dimarzio (black, with eight poles, fits perfectly where the mudbucker was, right? I'm forgetting the model #) is a great pickup, especially if it is a one-pickup bass. I think you'll be pleased.

dimarzio for an epiphone rivoli?
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2008, 08:26:28 PM »
the pickup is a dimarzio model one.

dimarzio for an epiphone rivoli?
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2008, 08:26:28 PM »
Thanks for the comment!!!
The pickup I can buy (second hand) is a Will Power. Not the Model One you usualy see with Rivoli's but there's not so much difference between these two. This is what they say at the Dimarzio-site: Its dimensions are the same as the Model One™, but it's a little louder and fatter-sounding, and pole piece spacing is slightly wider for better string alignment with long-scale basses.
Should the difference in pole piece spacing be a problem? I don't think so, or am I Wrong?

dimarzio for an epiphone rivoli?
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2008, 08:34:56 PM »
Is the rivoli a 34" scale bass? Im not real familiar with them. I would measure the string width where the pickup will be, and ask the guy who is offering the pickup to measure the pole pieces. They will probably be close, though. But cant hurt to ask.

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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2008, 09:30:28 PM »
The pole spacing will be a problem. It's designed for Fender string spacing, which is wider at the bridge.

Please understand that the Model One and Will Power Neck don't sound anything like original Gibson mudbuckers. If you're looking for that particular vintage tone without spending the money for a vintage one, you might try one of these [urlhttps://www.vintageguitarandbass.com/jump3/137/forum1287]Artecs[/url] on eBay that are wound to 29.7K.

dimarzio for an epiphone rivoli?
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2008, 10:07:27 PM »
Oh, so the model one is for gibson replacement and the will power is for fenders?

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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2008, 10:10:15 PM »
Should the artecs be a good choice? How do they compare to the originals? It's right 29,7K comes very close to the originals, but isn't there more than that that's makes the pickups sound.

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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2008, 10:13:43 PM »
Hello:
I bought an old Gibson EB2 mudbucker from Ebay for about 100$ for my 95 Rivoli. It´s a great upgrade. Now my Rivoly is a great bass!!

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« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2008, 10:25:54 PM »
BTW, the Artec seems a good chance...

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« Reply #11 on: February 29, 2008, 01:27:19 AM »
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Oh, so the model one is for gibson replacement and the will power is for fenders?


Pretty much. The Model One was designed as a direct Gibson mudbucker replacement. Billy Sheehan put one on his famous Precision Bass, but the polepiece spacing is really too narrow for a Fender. So when they designed a new model with a few changes in the sound to accommodate what Billy wanted (the Will Power Neck model), they left the outer dimensions the same but they spaced the polepieces so they would line up right on a Fender in the neck position.

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« Reply #12 on: February 29, 2008, 01:38:19 AM »
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Should the artecs be a good choice? How do they compare to the originals? It's right 29,7K comes very close to the originals, but isn't there more than that that's makes the pickups sound.


I haven't heard one yet or heard of any user reports yet.

You're right, there's much more to it than the resistance reading. But if you look at the bottom photo, it has sidewinder coils just like the originals, with a steel blade running through the center of those coils. And it has the two large ceramic magnets at the ends like the originals. Between the construction and the 30K reading, it ought to be much closer sounding to the originals than anything else, including the current Epi pickups.

The differences I can see are the plastic bobbin and fiber base. The originals have a metal or wood bobbin and a metal base. Every element affects tone to some degree, but in this case I doubt it will be much of an effect compared to the similarities.

 

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