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what do we have here? (Orpheum Les Paul style bass)

what do we have here? (Orpheum Les Paul style bass)
« on: February 27, 2008, 12:29:27 PM »
Yesterday at the local Monroeville music-go-round i had the fortune of stumbling upon an odd bird (for $150). It's an Orpheum. What i've been able to find about Orpheum is that it was a Japanese import name that was last used in the 60s and/or early 70s. It has nothing to do with the modern Orpheum acoustics. The odd thing is that it is a Les Paul bass with more guitar features than bass ones, much the like current LP bass, 2 volume, 2 tone, 1 pup switch, with PAF looking pickups. Its a 30inch, and it has a wooden floating bridge, and is definitely a bolt-on neck. Whatever it is it plays real nice, and has made me a short-scale believer. The thing i don't understand is how it is a 35 year old modern Les Paul bass. . . By the way it has the original hardshell case complete with puke yellow velvet interior. I will post pictures later.
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« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2008, 12:46:13 PM »
heres the pix. Oh and theres no serials anywhere (havent looked inside yet)
sorry about the crappy quality, i was using my phone
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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2008, 02:40:06 AM »
Looks like a nice bass; black with block inlays and binding - like you say, more like a Les Paul Custom. You can't go too far wrong for $150 either.


I wonder why a floating bridge? Its not hollow bodied is it?

How does it sound?

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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2008, 01:49:35 PM »
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Its not hollow bodied is it?

I wouldn't be surprised if it is.

I have Les Paul copy that has a very similar neck and headstock. And it is a hollow body.
Mine looks like a Triumph with the big control plate. But the electronics configuration is totally different. It isn't even low impedance, although the pickups look similar.




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what do we have here? (Orpheum Les Paul style bass)
« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2008, 09:54:18 PM »
well i believe it is a hollow body, at least i hope, because its either that or plywood. Ya, its definitely hollow. That neck/headstock looks identical to this one, it even has the same pattern on the binding. And yes, the only thing that matters, it sounds great, its only a little less hot than my 1997 mim fender precision. I'm mostly a fender guy, so to me it sounds quite a bit like a jazz, except with a bit less of the crappy overly-high treble and fingersmack. All in all a nice investment.     EDIT: Definitely not hollow!!! It just has a really big electronics cavity!
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« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2008, 10:12:53 PM »
This just hit me. I knew CBS had fender for a while but i didn't know there were any CBS branded guitars. That's new to me. How do you like your CBS bass, Basvarken?
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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2008, 12:50:50 PM »
I doubt if there was a brand named CBS. The CBS record company logo on the headstock is screen printed. Maybe it was used in a CBS recording studio? I never found any information on the Internet.
I bought it a few years ago from an Australian Ebay auction. Aussie Mark helped me score it.
It had a severe neck problem when I got it. One of the main reasons why I didn't use it very often. The neck had a bow that the trussrod couldn't straighten out anymore. And the fingerboard came loose at the first three positions.
The bass does sound great though. So I took a dive in the deep end and removed the fingerboard (with a damp cloth and hot flat iron). Call it beginners luck, but I managed to remove the entire fingerboard in one piece.
Then I re-adjusted the trussrod. Sealed it back up with a little mahogany beam. I flattened the neck somewhat. And glued the fingerboard back on.
The neck is now straight enough the get decent action.
The neck is plywood by the way! Someone was really creative is faking a mahogany grain with a brush  8)

Now she gets quite a bit of playing time.
The sound is a typical semi acoustic warm natural sound. The two Maxxon pickups resemble the Gibson Lo-Z pickups quite well. Although the Maxxons are normal impedance.

I plan on installing a new bridge and new machine heads. The bridge is an old Fender type two saddle bridge. The intonation accuracy is not ideal...The machine head have too much play and two out of four miss a ferrule.





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what do we have here? (Orpheum Les Paul style bass)
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2008, 09:36:13 PM »
Here's some news, news that could get me flamed. Ibanez. Lawsuit. I found a ibanez lawsuit guitar with the exact same case here Vintage-Ibanez-Elger-Les-Paul-Style-Lawsuit-Guitar-NICE, and this site http://www.fetishguitars.com/html/general/orpheum.html, that has the exact same bass, and says that ibanez may have manufactured orpheum in the 70s. I think the mystery of its origins may have been solved, but the wooden bridge is still a bit confuzzleing :?:
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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2008, 11:44:46 AM »
Yeah it's most likely they all come from the same factory; the Fujigen Gakki.

These old Ibanez Les Paul copies look very similar to mine and yours.










if you want to know more about vintage Ibanez check here:

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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2011, 08:05:30 AM »
I have one!!!! I have been trying to find out what is it for sosoososoooo long, mine is unmarked but exactly the same as your in every other feature.

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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2011, 08:10:37 AM »
I have this one.......the same in every way but mine is unmarked. i even have the floating bridge

I have an identical CBS Bass
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2011, 10:42:13 AM »
I have the same hollow body CBS Bass, it is missing the bridge cover but otherwise in fairly good condition. The output is very quiet so I am going to get it serviced. Mine has the same screen printed CBS logo. It had been in an attic unused for 30 years before I scored it so it hasn't been played much. I was excited to see that it is not the only one, and from Australia too, so they may have both been made for CBS over here. CBS Australia had a guitar shop in Sydney in the early 70's I believe, perhaps there is a connection there?

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« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2011, 07:45:31 AM »
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CBS Australia had a guitar shop in Sydney in the early 70's I believe, perhaps there is a connection there?

That must be it! Thanx DrBread.
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« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2011, 09:39:53 PM »
Those Orpheum/Ibanez/Penco basses were fairly popular in the mid 70s, when that was made.  They were decent enough for cheap imports.  They were aimed at the paper-route end of the market, or people who wanted to pick up a spare.  The body is most likely ply and also hollow in parts.  They used a low end ply - lots of bungo wood and glue in the layers - so they are light.  But they typically sound ok and play ok.  Ibanez picked it up a notch probably a couple of years after that was made.  For $150 that is a great deal.  Music Go Round gets lots of stuff of that end of the market, so I check them out often.  

You don't see too many of them these days as kids tended to beat them up/butcher/smash them. No doubt a lot of them are still sitting around in basements and attics waiting for the estate sales that will be coming up more frequently in the next few years as the baby boomer parents die.
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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2011, 11:47:02 PM »
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Yeah it's most likely they all come from the same factory; the Fujigen Gakki.
 
These old Ibanez Les Paul copies look very similar to mine and yours.
 

 
 
 

 
 
if you want to know more about vintage Ibanez check here:
 
http://www.ibanez-vintage-page.de

 
My first bass was the exact bass pictured in the Ibanez catalog. Mine was branded "Leonardo", (an importer name) but was otherwise identical.
I purchased it brand new in 1974, SPECIAL ORDERED it because my buddy had a Univox LP copy and I had to have the same thing in a bass. $150, a fortune in 1974 dollars. Little did I know at the time that I could've easily found an original '60s EB or P Bass for about the same money...
I sold it a year later for $40. Never saw another until about 2 years ago...I bought an identical bass branded Pearl. Note that the example in the Ibanez catalog has no logo. Possibly they sold a lot of these to distrubutors who preferred to put their own name on the instruments.
 
Speaking oif Les Paul basses, there was a Saturday morning kid's TV program called The Hudson Bros. One of the Hudson Bros. played what appeared to be an original Gibson Les Paul Custom style BASS...(White, no less) It wasn't a Recording, it seemed to be a 1 off.

 

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