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White Gibson 1969 EB3? Pics Added!!

White Gibson 1969 EB3? Pics Added!!
« on: January 17, 2008, 05:37:46 AM »
I have an old Gibson bass w/a black solid head stock w/white inlay, white back of neck and body, maple fretboard, a 3 position toggle switch instead of the rotary, the EB3 style pick-ups and a 2-point chrome bridge with nylon adjustable string supports and no cover. It looks to be all original, (no holes or witness marks where something was replaced or changed). The control pots have "6907" as the last 4 numbers and the "red stamped" number in the back of the headstock is "817509". What model is this and why can't I find any other Gibsons that look like this online? It looks like the other '69 EB3s except for the toggle switch (SG style) and I am reading white wasn't available until 1976 (or so).
Thanks, Chuck

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Re: White Gibson 1969 EB3?
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2008, 12:58:24 PM »
Quote from: cimchazz1
It looks to be all original


Hi Chuck - sounds very interesting. The maple fingerboard would be a very rare feature, as is the white colour (except for a late seventies bass, and the serial number suggests an earlier instrument) - they did exist but only in very small numbers.

Can we see some pics? (either post them at a photobucket account, or email them to me)

It could be that your pots, and or fingerboard were changed, and the bass refinned - if done well it wouldn't be obvious without taking it apart

thanks

White 69 EB3?
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2008, 03:48:24 AM »
Jules, thanks for the tip on the Photobucket. Here's some pics of my EB3, hope they are clear enough to make a determination as to what the history may be and exactly what model it is? Why a toggle instead of a rotary switch?  And why the crappy bridge? How can I make the bridge more stable? I want to keep everything original, but want it all to function properly. Love the sound and easy to play for someone who doesn't play much anymore with no calises (sp?), that's why I put the flatwounds on (and like the black).
Thanks, Chuck

http://s252.photobucket.com/albums/hh27/cimchazz1/My%2069%20EB3/

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White Gibson 1969 EB3? Pics Added!!
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2008, 07:25:43 AM »
The 2-point bridge is crappy?  :shock:  That's the stock bridge for that era.

That's a rosewood fretboard.

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White Gibson 1969 EB3? Pics Added!!
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2008, 09:19:26 AM »
My take, and some of this is not definitive unless inspected in hand, is you have an original EB3 bass.  I would guess that it was made between 1967 and 1970, with 69 being a comfortable estimate.  It has been modified by an earlier owner who removed the varitone switch and replaced it with a regular toggle switch (very common) and also the chrome bridge cover.  The bridge cover wouldn't be obvious as the holes for it have been filled in.  They were filled in when this bass was refinished white, which was another modification.  Other signs of the refin are the red bleed through on the serial number from the original Gibson red finish that 99+% of them came with, and the tell-tale "orange peel" visible between the lead pup and the bridge.  Which is another mod - the mute that they all came with has been removed.  Why this one was refinished could have been for a number of reasons.  It was obviously played a lot, from the worn away rosewood on the end of the fingerboard, so wear and tear for one.  I suspect that it may have suffered a neck repair at some point, which is also common.  The heel of the neck is out of round, and often enough they suffer breaks there, and a break at the headstock could have been possible.  With the white finish it could be hard to tell, but an experienced luthier or vintage dealer could figure it out.  If there was a clean break that didn't go through, then it could have been glued up and you couldn't tell without removing the finish somewhere.  The finish on the face of the headstock looks original, and the crack through the "S" could be a veneer split from anything.  So either a damaged original finish or a repair are why it is white.  There are a few parts removed that are often removed.  That looks like a nice bass, and the refin is pretty decent, and has been on there a while.  A good one.
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« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2008, 07:35:10 PM »
Boom, thanks for the info. I added a picture of the wiring and noticed one of the controls may have been replaced, but the others have a 6902 date, not 6907 like I had thought before. So this could be an early '69, I guess.   Does it look like the 4 position switch would have fit in the space that the toggle is in now? It's hard for me to comprehend why someone would want to get rid of the switch and paint the instrument white, (although I do have a nice Hagstrom 8 I put Humbuckers in in 1971). I love the way it plays now, but it would be neat to put it back to whatever original was, too, if I could figure out what that was. I've seen these bridges before without the cover, did they all have covers?

Thanks.

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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2008, 09:47:26 PM »
Nice shot, and it helps with some more things.  The output jack has been replaced, as has most of the wiring.  The lead pup wire - the braided shield cable - is original.  The gray covered cable is not original.  The pot dates are an ok range finder.  The early 69 pot dates could mean this was sent out of the factory sometime in 1969 or even 70.  Like Fender, pots were bulk ordered, so they would have used whatever was delivered.  It could take months (Fender used 1966 pots for years after) to use them.

People do funny things.  A lot of people do not like the choke, so the varitone switch makes a simple thing complicated.  The toggle lets you pick one or the other or both.  Easy, and fits right in.

Rrefinishing it white could have been for a few things.  It is possible that someone really liked white, and was willing to pay several hundred bucks to change it.  I don't think that is probable, but I do think some earlier damage, which is all too common with old EB3s, is more likely.

It is pretty easy to figure out what this was as Jules has done lots more research than most could stomach doing. See here:  https://www.flyguitars.com/gibson/bass/EB3.php

 The all came with bridge covers, with mutes, with the thumb rest turned the other way around from the way yours is, and with a varitone switch and choke in the circuit.  If you were to bring it back the way it was, you need those parts, but you may find you, like many others, like it the way yours is now.
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White Gibson 1969 EB3? Pics Added!!
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2008, 10:34:44 PM »
Thanks for the addl info. I bought it from a guy in 2000 who played in a working band and had it "laying around" for a spare. I had played one at Massamino's Music store in Detroit in 1970 and wanted one, but couldn't afford the 400 bucks, so I bought the Hagstrom 8-string (new) I still have for $280 and later put Humbuckers in it, but didn't cut any wood so I could put it back later (but now I can't find the old pickups). When this guy offered me the Gibson, I told him I'd take it without even looking at it. He didn't know it was an EB3, just an old bass to him, and he sold it to me for $75.00. I brought it home, cleaned it up, put new strings on and it played great. So that's my bass story. I looked under the pick guard and found someone has spliced that grey wire onto the old shielded wire for some odd reason. I think this bass has just led a very busy life, not one that sat in a closet most of it's life. Too bad I can't trace the ownership. If I run across the rotary switch I may put it back in someday.
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Re: EB3
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2008, 01:50:53 AM »
Quote from: cimchazz1
Does it look like the 4 position switch would have fit in the space that the toggle is in now? It's hard for me to comprehend why someone would want to get rid of the switch and paint the instrument white

Well the four way varitone was a bit awkward live - each setting had a slightly different volume, especially the superbass of position 1 - changing mid set would require adjusting volume controls too. If it got crackly it may have been hard to find a replacement too - depending on exactly when this change was made.

Maybe the old finish had just faded really badly. EBs are fragile, and snap at the neck easily. Lots of refins are related to hiding some repairs underneath, however some people just prefer white. They do look good in this colour, for sure!

Quote from: cimchazz1
it would be neat to put it back to whatever original was, too, if I could figure out what that was. I've seen these bridges before without the cover, did they all have covers?


Yeah, they all had covers. You also need a varitone switch and a choke - keep watching ebay, because people sell these parts every month or so

 

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