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Jack The Ripper?

Jack The Ripper?
« on: January 14, 2008, 12:53:28 AM »
I remember reading an interview with Jack Bruce in Guitar Player Magazine ca. 1975 wherein Jack mentions that a major guitar company (or did he even specifically say Gibson? I can't remember...) was going to produce a Jack Bruce model bass, but he didn't like it and the project was scrapped. Then he said he'd "better not say another word about it".
I can't help but wonder if that bass was The Ripper...the name itself kind of suggests it. Otherwise, they could've just called it the L-9S bass and left it at that.
It came out in recent years that the RD Artist bass was inteded to be the John Entwistle model, so it wouldn't be the only aborted Norlin era bass endorsement deal gone sour...

Bill

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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2008, 01:23:14 AM »
Quote from: guitarshark
Jack mentions that a major guitar company (or did he even specifically say Gibson? I can't remember...) was going to produce a Jack Bruce model bass


Yes, i've seen this, but you know what, I recall several other mid-seventies bass players saying the same thing. I'll try and dig out quotes to back this up. I get the impression that Gibson told a lot of players that they had made the Ripper for them, but noone really seems to have a strong association with the instrument.

On the subject of Entwistle and the RD Artist, i've been preparing a page on that very topic for some time. I have some interesting quotes from Gibson literature, and JE interviews, but i'm fairly sure there is more out there too. If anyone has any info about their relationship please get in touch.

Jack The Ripper?
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2008, 02:07:40 AM »
I didn't know that they told mutiple bassists that, interesting.
Obviously, they got Greg Lake to endorse The Ripper for a bit, (he had the only ebony finish with a maple neck Ripper I've ever seen) but it didn't last long. Which is funny, since varitone position # 3 on a Ripper seems tailor made for him.
It's the Jack The Ripper thing that seems to dovetail so nicely. Not that Jack was ever known as that, but it has the feel of a marketing ploy gone awry.

Bill

your a naughty one saucy jack
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2008, 02:17:25 AM »
your a naughty one.......saucy jack
just some spinal tap quotes haha, ive never seen jack bruce play any other gibsons besides his eb's and that entwistle thing sounds interesting, i know he played thunderbirds and eb2's

Re: your a naughty one saucy jack
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2008, 02:56:22 AM »
Quote from: Gibsonbassdude15
your a naughty one.......saucy jack
just some spinal tap quotes haha, ive never seen jack bruce play any other gibsons besides his eb's and that entwistle thing sounds interesting, i know he played thunderbirds and eb2's


...You're a haughty one, Saucy Jack...one of my fave movies!

Nah, I don't think he ever actually played a Ripper. If there was an endoresement deal in the works, it never got off the ground.
I have seen pics of JB playing a reverse T-Bird II, though
This bass had a Les Paul style jack plate screwed onto the top, probably to conceal a crack in the body at the output jack.
In this photo, Jack was presenting it to Felix Pappalardi as a gift at the completion of the Disraeli Gears LP.
This bass was sold off with the rest of Pappalardi's instruments after his 1983 murder.

Bill

Jack The Ripper?
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2008, 10:07:43 AM »
Those topics weere discussed at the old Dudepit.

Entwistle himself said that the RD was made as his signature, but he didn;t like it. I believe Uwe found a german interview with Jack Bruce about the Ripper becoming a JB Signature. If you see the first advertisements about that bass, you see two mudbuckers. I believe JB didn't liked the new pick ups. I think Uwe can tell us more.

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« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2008, 12:58:55 PM »
Quote from: Chris P
Those topics weere discussed at the old Dudepit.

Entwistle himself said that the RD was made as his signature, but he didn;t like it. I believe Uwe found a german interview with Jack Bruce about the Ripper becoming a JB Signature. If you see the first advertisements about that bass, you see two mudbuckers. I believe JB didn't liked the new pick ups. I think Uwe can tell us more.


Hmmm, I'd like to read that interview.
I've seen the early ads with the 2 mudbucker prototype Ripper...I doubt any of those made it to production. Ibanez did issue a 2 mudbucker Ripper copy, even if Gibson didn't!
Makes sense that Jack Bruce would prefer those pickups, I guess...even though I think he used the bridge minibucker most of the time on his EB-3s.

Bill

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« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2008, 10:32:40 PM »
Jawohl, I remember reading a nineties interview with Jack B where he owned up to the Ripper saying "Gibson designed a bass for me, but it was so horriible ... They ended up calling it The Grabber or something ...".

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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2008, 07:32:14 PM »
Didn't Carol Kaye say she had a hand in the Grabber design? Or at least that Gibson had asked her for suggestions?

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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2008, 08:21:40 PM »
Give her enough time and she will.

Jack may have been the intended target of that bass.  He had started playing long scale stuff in the mid 70s, I recall hand-made stuff, maybe Petillos, being his thing for a while, so maybe they tried.  But Gibson was still putting him on promo posters into the early 70s.  My local shop had a whole bunch of them they got one year, pics of BB King from the mid 60s for the ES, Santana with an L6S, etc.  So they knew he sold stuff for them.

Lets not forget his use of Danelectros as well.  Lots of pics with a long horn.
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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2008, 09:43:43 PM »
Quote from: eb2
Give her enough time and she will.

Jack may have been the intended target of that bass.  He had started playing long scale stuff in the mid 70s, I recall hand-made stuff, maybe Petillos, being his thing for a while, so maybe they tried.  But Gibson was still putting him on promo posters into the early 70s.  My local shop had a whole bunch of them they got one year, pics of BB King from the mid 60s for the ES, Santana with an L6S, etc.  So they knew he sold stuff for them.

Lets not forget his use of Danelectros as well.  Lots of pics with a long horn.


Jack was using a UK made all wood Dan Armstrong London bass ca. '73-'75, that's probably what you thought was a Petillo...I doubt Jack would ever have played anything as bad as that!

The Longhorn was used temporarily while the Fender Bass VI was having its psychedelic paint job done by The Fool, before Jack had the EB-3.

Regarding the Carol Kaye/Grabber thing, yeah, give her enough time, correct! She claims to have played on records credited to Jamerson, etc, but has no proof, no pay stubs or whatever, to back it up. So she might get around to claiming the Grabber was hers...

Bill

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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2008, 10:54:38 PM »
In fairness to Jack the Non-Ripper, he probably meant "Ripper" when he said "Grabber" in the interview - who except the devout and converted could ever hold these two apart back in the mid-seventies? I certainly couldn't.

But the Grabber must have come later. I have a singlecut Ripper prototype with 1973 pots - I know of no Grabber that early. I have an early 74 Grabber, noteworthy for an unscarfed headstock, skunk stripe neck, non-backward-angled headstock and - oh, the horror! - a Fender type allen truss rod nut.  :roll:

Uwe

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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2008, 11:29:25 PM »
Quote from: donnervogel
In fairness to Jack the Non-Ripper, he probably meant "Ripper" when he said "Grabber" in the interview - who except the devout and converted could ever hold these two apart back in the mid-seventies? I certainly couldn't.

But the Grabber must have come later. I have a singlecut Ripper prototype with 1973 pots - I know of no Grabber that early. I have an early 74 Grabber, noteworthy for an unscarfed headstock, skunk stripe neck, non-backward-angled headstock and - oh, the horror! - a Fender type allen truss rod nut.  :roll:

Uwe


That makes sense. A lot of people confuse Rippers and Grabbers
The first Grabbers I remember seeing new in stores back in the day were in '75, scarfed headstock, angled headstocks, no skunk stripe.
The only non-scarfed, skunk stripe one I know about is the one used by Gene Simmons, pictured on the Kiss Alive LP sleeve. I've never seen one in person. (Note: I saw Kiss 5 times between Dec. '73 and Dec. 75 and except for the first 2 shows where Gene played his LoBue custom made bass that looked sort of like an LP bodied EB-0. he played an ebony Ripper every time...he's so associated with the Grabber, but used a Ripper a lot too. That's what inspired me to buy my ebony Ripper back in 1975, there, I've said it!
That sounds like a pretty cool bass!
A single cut Ripper prototype? Is that one of the strange Gibson basses with no model # or name (there have been a few pictures of them on this site) with 2 mudbuckers and (I think) no pickguard?
I saw one at a local guitar show about 6 or 7 years ago that was poorly refinished and I thought it was a doctored Ripper. Now I know better...

Slightly off the topic, I think the G-3 is a great sounding bass. All 3 pickups together sounds amazing! I'm not really attracted to Grabbers in general cosmetically, (the Flying V headstock on the pumpkin body isn't me) but they do have a nice tone.

Bill

Jack The Ripper?
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2008, 12:39:07 AM »
[ That's what inspired me to buy my ebony Ripper back in 1975, there, I've said it!
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I am of the same mind... Gene Simmons is such a pompous a** nowadays on TV and in interviews!  But man, his bass playing in KISS is just solid, no nonsense good stuff!  Not over the top, just right.  I especially like to watch the way he plays and sings at the same time... I always learn a bit from it.

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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2008, 01:50:32 AM »
Quote from: lxmetal
[ That's what inspired me to buy my ebony Ripper back in 1975, there, I've said it!

I am of the same mind... Gene Simmons is such a pompous a** nowadays on TV and in interviews!  But man, his bass playing in KISS is just solid, no nonsense good stuff!  Not over the top, just right.  I especially like to watch the way he plays and sings at the same time... I always learn a bit from it.[/quote]

Yep, true. His bass playing was pretty inventive back then. I always liked his vocals too.
I can't tell if the pomposity is a put on or his true personality. Probably a bit of both.

 

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