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"61" I Think EB-3...
« on: January 12, 2008, 02:32:07 AM »
Hello, found a great place here!!!
 I would love some feedback about this bass. I just retired it, scared about taking it out on gigs..You never know who you are playing with when there is a four band venue on the ticket. I believe it is a 61 (102400) with the ink number and the 3 way toggle.
Bad part is somebody moved the hand rest to a thumb rest, even though I love it, thinking about putting in on my new bass, just bought a SG supreme with the natural maple top, wow that  is a tone monster.Trying to decide to sell, or keep it, what is your thoughts about storing it??, take the strings off and let it hang? in the case? keep for value? play it at home? or not.What you you guys and gals think it is worth?  If my picts dont go through let me know...
If you would like to hear it "click on the radio tracks" ya I'm not that good!!...http://www.occasionalhalf.com/......OK give me some feed back on that too!!!

Thanks a TON!!
Mike







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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2008, 12:06:57 PM »
I would keep it, unless you need the money as these go for around $2500 all stock in decent shape and keep climbing.

Your looks nice, is the toggle stock?

You always want to store a bas with the strings on , in tension- they are made to to that and it keeps the neck in position.

"61" I Think EB-3...
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2008, 01:41:03 PM »
:roll: ....quote..... '' I would keep it, unless you need the money as these go for around $2500 all stock in decent shape and keep climbing.'''......

..... yeh , that is if it WAS a 1961 EB3....  but it IS NOT

... the close together spacing of the control knobs ,and chrome bridge and pickup , plus the style of the cutaways on horns suggest a bass from around 1966.....

 the serial number is very odd tho ,as this number does indicate a bass from around 1962,.... but it certainly isn't from that era , ... it looks very different from  '61 ,'62.

plus the fact that this bass isnt stock , ....holes drilled for relocated  thumbrest, ..plus chicken head control replaced with  flick switch , ...plus if you look close ,it appears that the  e string side  cutaway has been sanded down from original shape , certainly looks different from g string side cutaway .
....these things will de-value this bass significantly...... . . its  probably in the $900 _ $1200 range  on ebay , going  by recent prices .

odd  looking bass , .... be interesting to see the back of the bass  .. :roll:

this may be a modded ebo  to look like an eb3 ...

dexter

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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2008, 03:41:28 PM »
Hi, and welcome

No, its not a '61 EB3, but still a very nice bass. Is the headstock 'crown' roughly central, or nearer the A and D pegs? What shape is the control cavity?

Don't pay too much attention to serial numbers - they were reused, or shipped completely out of order.

I've summarised a lot of the physical changes here https://www.flyguitars.com/gibson/bass/EB3timeline.php (though these are not 100% infallable)

Also look at the pot codes
https://www.flyguitars.com/gibson/bass/parts/pots.php

From the pics i've seen so far, my guess is that this is a mid 60s EB0 converted to an EB3 (The scratchplate is 3 -ply (correct for an EB0) not 5-ply (correct for an EB3), no varitone, - however, it is well done, and by the look of it using an original Gibson bridge pickup. Of course parts get changed, but practically all of them would have to be changed for this to be a '61

Its hard to value something like this, but I wouldn't let it go for less than $800. I suggest you keep it for recording purposes or the occasional quieter gig where you want some ultra-mellow!

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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2008, 04:41:16 PM »
It is a nice conversion job if it were converted from an EB0.  Assuming it has not been refinned, you could check by removing the lead pup and seeing if it is finished in the routing.  A pic of the back of the bass would help as well (tight on the neck joint and back of the headstock too) .  I would bet dollars to donuts that it is not a 61, and using the general Gibson serial number guides, that number could be from several years.  Including 1967, which is where I would guess based on the bridge and general features.  A lot of 67s came with the Kalamazoo tuners, which this does not have, so that is a plus.  A nice bass, which due to the changes it has had no matter what it started out as, is a very giggable no-worry bass.  Good luck and have fun.
boom

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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2008, 05:14:31 PM »
Nice bass.

Didn't the first EB3s had a toggle switch instead of the rotary chickenhead?

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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2008, 06:43:44 PM »
Man, you guys are good. You learn something new around here every day.

"61" I Think EB-3...
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2008, 02:06:06 AM »
Gentlemen, Thank you for you response!!

I though it was a early model with the serial  number and the three way switch, rather then the four way..

I will take it apart, and post more picts, in a day or two for more info!!!

Thank you all for the help!!!

Mike

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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2008, 02:29:58 AM »
I was just gathering info with the 3 way toggle, Ya the knobs are way spaced out on the 61...humm...

http://twtd.bluemountains.net.au/cream/basses.htm

once again thank you!!!

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« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2008, 03:01:08 AM »
Quote from: Chris P
Nice bass.

Didn't the first EB3s had a toggle switch instead of the rotary chickenhead?

This is commonly suggested, usually in relation to Jack Bruces bass with a toggle, however I have seen no evidence that this was the case.

I have a letter from Gibson to dealers dated 28th June 1961 which announces the EB3:

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A completely re-designed and re-styled electric bass -- model EB3, replaces the EB-2. Solid-body - designed along the lines of the new Les Pauls. Solid red finish - 2 pickups - new 4-position toggle switch - 4 controls etc etc


So initially the varitone was called a toggle, which may also have added to the confusion. However as we all know there is an exception to every rule, and we can never say with 100% certainty that NONE were shipped with a 3-way toggle. Personally though, I believe not, until a see a document to prove otherwise.

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« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2008, 05:35:55 AM »
Another thing I think is going on there is when they moved the finger-rest over to be a thumb rest, they did a common mod on these things which is using the screw hole from the handrest/hood ornament.  Which is why it is where it is.
boom

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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2008, 12:05:37 AM »
oh, now i see , .... the little piece of wood thing that is normally located on the pick guard ,has been moved along side the E string ,so that it may be used as a thumb rest.
....yes, ive seen this done  quite a number of eb 's , ....i think it looks odd .    don't like it

dexter

 

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