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1965 EB-3, Color Unknown

1965 EB-3, Color Unknown
« on: November 08, 2007, 09:32:38 PM »
I have been conversing with Granny Gremlin about this instrument and it was suggested I post some photos for all to see. This bass appears to have a custom (Cardinal Red?) color.

Pots date the bass as 1965 (1376526) but headstock serial number is 250064.

Tuning keys are reversed as opposed to today’s 2x2 configuration in that E and A keys are turned toward the bridge to tighten the string and D & G are turned backward to tighten the strings.

There is residue from an oval sticker/label on the back of the headstock. There is a reverse imprint on the paint just in front of the neck bridge from a stamp used to mark the mute hardware: "Gibson Inc.- Kalamazoo - Michigan - Pat. Applied For".

I can see no over spray neither in the mudbucker or bridge pup cavities nor in the control cavity. There are some drips and drabs of red paint along the edge of control cavity.

Neck pup measures 29.83K ohms and the bridge pup measures 7.20K ohms using self ranging digital multimeter. Sticker on bottom of bridge pup reads:
Pat. No. 2 737 842.

The original owner of this bass told the selling agent that he special ordered the red lacquer finish and swears it was never refinished. No over spray would seem to confirm his affirmation. This is not the standard cherry stain where the grain of the mahogany is still visible and which is a much deeper red tint.

I have the bridge set as low as possible but strings are still a tad high at the 9th fret and above: E at the 5th fret measures 3/32…at the 12th fret 5/32” and at the 19th fret 7/32”.  Very slight buzzing on open G, but currently has nickel round wounds. Very little relief in neck, could loosen truss rod a smidgen. Am changing to GHS precision flats this evening.

Photos to be posted by Granny Gremlin (many thanks!) a bit later...once they are available your comments regarding the bass, its color and specs will be appreciated. Thanks.

 

rsa7600

1965 EB-3, Color Unknown
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2007, 05:25:24 PM »
I didn't get your email.  Try resending with not so many pics attached.

EB-3 photos
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2007, 08:12:45 PM »
Thought that might be a problem. I have sent you two e-mails with 4-5 pics attached to each. Enough to get the thread started, I think. Thanks.

rsa

1965 EB-3, Color Unknown
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2007, 09:21:28 PM »
Pics here.  They're a bit too large to post in the thread.

Many of them are too out of focus to be useful. But from that pic of the control cavity I wouldn't rule out a refin. Also, the color doesn't quite look like Cardinal Red, but that could just be lighting.

Still an effin nice bass tho

EB-3 pics
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2007, 09:41:19 PM »
Am not sure why photos show up so large and out of focus. Look fine on my computer using MS Digital Image 10. they get a bit blurry when I increase to 150% or so. Hmmm...lemme think on this one.

I took the bass to a shop near here and we got under the pick guard. Looks like solvent was used to get to the bare finish. We can find no evidence of other colors or finishes. If you prefer, I can get you some smaller, more in focus photos. Thanks.

rsa

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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2007, 12:22:17 AM »


Is the serial number barely readble under paint, or clear and obvious? Thats the most telling sign of a refin.

It is a cool bass, whatever

1965 EB-3, Color Unknown
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2007, 06:39:55 PM »
Serial # not very distinct but readable. I raised this matter with the selling agent who went back to the original owner before we closed the deal...owner "swore" paint/lacquer was applied by factory...agent said he has known the seller for years and seller had no reason to misrepresent the facts. I got the bass for well under the published 2007 Vintage Guitar Magazine Price Guide. Even more so in the new 2008 VGMPG.

Frets were patina green with oxidation when I got the bass. Used a Stew-Mac fret tool to brighten them up a bit. Also used 0000 steel wool on the fret board and lemon oil to bring back wood color. Pots and 4-way switch needed cleaning and lubing. Neck pup had a minor problem and repaired it to get reading mentioned in previous posting. Would like to find a way to lower action more, but bridge is bottomed out. Digital calipers tell me I might get another .118" inch (3mm) at most if I remove the mute hardware. Still has the mute felt, too, and the plastic spacer for the hand rest.

So...how much does the refinish impact the value of the bass, factory or otherwise? Both back of the neck and back of the body have case rash where bass was stored for God knows how many years. Was definitely in a musty basement for quite some time. Case has Sunn logo on exterior but Gibson logo on a metal tab placed on the storage box in the case. I love playing this thing. Running it through a Line 6 Bass Pod and tweaking the drive a bit I can almost get the Jack Bruce thing going..but I'm no JB...thanks for the feedback thus far. Cheers...

rsa7600

1965 EB-3, Color Unknown
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2007, 11:31:30 PM »
It's a certainly a nice bass regardless of whether it's a refin or not. If it is a refin it's been done very well from what I can see in the pic Jules posted.

Look at the bevelled edges on the body, they look very well pronounced when quite often on a refin some of the shape gets lost.

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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2007, 04:29:23 AM »
Quote from: rsa7600
So...how much does the refinish impact the value of the bass, factory or otherwise?


You can't put an accurate figure on it - the natural fluctuations in price are probably bigger than the difference we are talking about

If it is refinned some value will be lost, irrespective of who did it, Gibson themselves or anyone else. When selling the onus is on you to prove it is original - for example the original custom order paperwork. This would add a good 25% to the value - more if it was a 'less cherry looking' custom colour.

Without documentation it is anyones guess. If you insist it is real, someone may pay full whack, and be happy, or they may not.

Can I ask, how much extra did you pay for the custom finish? That is the most definitive answer there is!

 

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