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ezra1

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"vintage guitar price guide" & 1965 eb-3
« on: November 03, 2007, 02:39:10 PM »
there are 2 listings for '65 eb-3's. one is just '65 eb-3 and the other '65 eb-3 " jack bruce exact specs"   what is the difference ?  are the controlls spaced further apart ? and what year did the controlls get closer together?

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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2007, 03:41:22 PM »
i do know that the controlls were spaced closer in '66

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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2007, 09:27:53 PM »
As far as I know '65 was the year it changed. It may be that they changed this but didn't ship remaining stock in order - so a widely spaced early '66 is not impossible.. though I can't recall one

I have no idea what they are getting at - 'Jack Bruce exact specs' is a bit vague

Jack Bruce had a number of EB3s  as I recall all were wide spaced (am I wrong here?) but one had a 3 way switch rather than a varitone. I don't know whether this was stock... I suspect not....

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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2007, 09:41:09 PM »
He did some Cream stuff with a 67/68ish one as well - with witch hat knobs and the tuneomatic bridge.  So he had three as far as I can tell.  One early one with the painted plastic cover, another with wide spaced knobs, and the narrow later one.
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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2007, 03:11:14 PM »
i am wondering exactly when it went from wide to narrow.like exactly january 1,1966 or if it could be a '65 serial number and narrow spacing say late '65.

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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2007, 04:54:49 PM »
Gibson, maybe more than any guitar/bass company, did not do things that way.  I am guessing that there were issues with the wide space pot holes including weakness of the top and the fact that the routing was not standardized between the EB3 and EB0 and SG guitars.  When they switched they had both basses and several variants of guitars use the same back routing pattern and brass shield, and they reduced the weakness in the large back routing.
When seems to be in 1965, but they no doubt shipped the old style through the year.  Also there is no doubt (in my mind at least) that Gibson regularly stored factory screw ups, mishaps and over-produced items for review.  If there were things that were in semi-finished states or could be repaired, they fixed them and shipped them.  Sometimes this could have been several years later.  Good examples are basses with the old bridge and the new bridge overlapping in 67 and beyond, and the famous 1958 Explorers and Vs shipping in 1962.
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2007, 01:13:53 AM »
what i have seen is '65 date pots and '65 neck joint but narrow spaced controls.

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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2007, 03:03:40 AM »
I have read he had some kind of capacitor put on one of the pots so he could get that fuzzy sound without having the amp on "10" or "11".
Huh?

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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2007, 06:00:03 AM »
He may have messed with the electronics, but that would be a passive mod, and it would not "add" any juice to the pup, or distort the mud in any way more than just removing all the pots entirely.  Jack Bruce's fart tone was a product of distorting the hell out of a Marshall stack with a Gibson bass.  Not too hard to do live.  In the studio he recorded with Gibsons, Danos and the Fender VI, achieving a simillar tonal area with all of them.  I would trace that to his strings which were probably dead if not flat, and using micd amps.  And his hands.
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2007, 10:45:04 AM »
He used Labella flats, quite a light gauge even, because he liked to bend them.

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« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2007, 01:56:48 AM »
to clarify my last post. i found a 65 eb-3,serial number,pots and neck joint are 65. the spacing on the controlls is narrow.

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« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2007, 03:12:09 AM »
Quote from: donnervogel
He used Labella flats, quite a light gauge even, because he liked to bend them.


And now he uses 50-105 SIT Rock Brights Stainless. Go figure.

But it's possible that that's only on his Warwick.

"vintage guitar price guide" & 1965 eb-3
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2007, 07:28:32 AM »
I heard that Jack only used La Bella's because they were the cheapest strings he could find. Like Jack needed to worry about money!  :lol:

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He used Labella flats, quite a light gauge even, because he liked to bend them.

That's one of the reasons I like the La Bella's in the gauge I use them (43-104), they bend nicely.

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Jack Bruce specs
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2007, 11:08:52 PM »
I e-mailed some folks at Rumble Seat Music and their feedback is:

"Jack Bruce used an EB-3 (1965) with the varitone switch, black surround around the bridge pickup, and small pickguard.  So when they have those specs out comes the Jack Bruce reference!"

Thus sayeth one authority...and I've not heard a more detailed explanation.

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