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Les Paul Standard Bass pickups
« on: October 18, 2007, 07:35:21 PM »
I'd like to replace the pickups in a '96 (yeah not vintage sorry) Les Paul Standard bass...

I'm only willing to use passive, and the DiMarzio Model One seems to be the best candidate. I'm worried if it will fit without routing though - does anyone know offhand?

Also, any recommendations for alternatives to the Model One?

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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2007, 09:20:48 PM »
Model ones are too big without major routing.

Rio Grande Pit-Bulls would be good as they are humbucker size, similar looking to Lp chrome pups. They are high out put passive pups

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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2007, 11:57:09 AM »
Why do you want to chuck the originals out? They should be the chrome capped TB Plus pups, Gibson's state of the art bass pup to this day (in their various forms), ferocious little fellows. In comparison, DiMarzio Model 1s are lackluster and tame.

What sound are you after?

Uwe

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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2007, 01:01:12 PM »
it sounds to me like maybe if this is an active standard, chuck the Preamp, which many have found without it, improves the sound???

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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2007, 04:05:45 PM »
Cool, thanks for the help & advice guys (or girls!)

Some history about this bass:
The bass came from Gibson passive, and I have a wrecked 70's or 80's Les Paul Standard bass (how do I tell what year it is?) that came with a Bartolini TCT2 active setup.

I switched out the electronics from the wrecked Les Paul (but not the pickups) into the '06 hoping to improve what I got. The improvement was only slight. I don't care about all that tone control, I'm not a studio player so I rarely use it.

I figure now I'll replace the pickups with something new, or try out the older Les Paul pickups to see if they are any better/different. Are they Bartolini's? Anyone know? It's definitely a Bartolini preamp.

This is a killer for me, the bass sounds great...unplugged. The electronics I'm not happy with.

Redbird: No doubt! After I got home and took some measurements, considered the routing involved, and the body contour, it's just not realistic to try and get a Model One in there. The Rio Grande Pitbulls are interesting looking, thanks for that recommendation I have never heard of them before. Any idea where I can get some sound references?

donnervogel: I'm not feelin' the magic from the stock Gibson pickups. I've used the Model One in the past and it's run pretty hot for me so figured it was worth a shot. See above! Not going to happen. Sound I'm going for is a little on the raw side, low mids, high highs and low lows. Not necessarily clean so much as hot, I guess?

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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2007, 04:53:27 PM »
Can we see a pic? I can't believe you're not getting exactly that here

"Sound I'm going for is a little on the raw side, low mids, high highs and low lows. Not necessarily clean so much as hot, I guess?"


out of the stock TB Plus soapbars. I have a 92 passive LP Bass and it simply roars (as any bass with TB Plus pups will, if it is all maple it even gets a little much, but with warm mahogany it is a perfect fit). Something wrong with the pick-ups? They should be twice as loud (in passive mode) as any Model 1 you've heard with raucuous mids and booming bass plus blurry, but audible treble.

All long scale LP Basses with the Bart TCT circuit stem from the nineties 1993-1996/7. There were no LP Basses in the eighties and the LP Basses of the late sixties and seventies were short scale.

To identify the production year from 1977 onwards, look at the serial number stamped behind the headstock. The first five digits give you the YDDDY, i.e. a 92343 ... would be a bass built on the 234th day of 93, a 80239 ... would be a 89 model built on Jan 23, 1989.

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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2007, 07:42:35 PM »
Dimarzio Model G pickups would work as well if you can find them. They are no longer being made and who have to find them used.

They used them in 80's Kramers & BC Rich's. They were creme humbucker with double sets of exposed pole peices.

I know Scott loves them.

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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2007, 08:49:33 PM »
donnervogel: I was misinformed about the year of the wrecked LP bass, but according to the YDDDY scheme, #94040105 would be 1990? Indeed it has the active electronics and the preamp is indeed a Bartolini TCT2, maybe they were added in by a former owner? My guess is yes, if this preamp was only post-93.

I can take & post pics of both basses a little later, on my way out the door now, but now you've got me curious about the wrecked-Paul (as I call it) so I'm interested in learning more.

Redbird: I think I'm most interested in the Rio Grande Pitbulls now, or maybe taking the pickups out of the '90 LP and trying those in passive. The Model One is out of the question at this point.

Thanks for your advice guys, this is great and I'm learning, which at my age is something amazing.

Dave W

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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2007, 09:10:48 PM »
Your wrecked bass is a 1994. I know it doesn't fit the usual scheme, but 1994 was Gibson's centennial year and some or all of the serial numbers start with 94. And the Bartolini TCT preamp was standard in 1994, so chances are it's original.The 90s LP bass series wasn't introduced until 1992.

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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2007, 04:08:05 AM »
Thanks Dave, it's all clear now!

I'll share the story of the wrecked '94 LP bass:
I bought it off eBay for an amount of money I'm embarrassed to discuss. When I saw the bass in person, it was in great shape, but the action was high so I figured, oh it just needs a truss rod adjustment & setup and all will be well.

I never took off the truss rod cover before I paid the man and took it home...

So, when I got it home to do aforementioned adjustment(s), you can imagine the thoughts and emotions running through my head as I saw the truss rod had been tightened down so far and actually sunken into the neck wood. All sales final, buyer beware, use your imagination at what I was feeling at this point.

In fear and desperation, I took it to a repairman I trusted. He said there wasn't much hope, but if I was willing to risk it we could try adding some washers to shim the truss rod nut, put on a better nut, tighten it a little at a time and hope for the best. Well, I risked it. After a week of 1/4 turns, it started to mellow out.

Then one day...I noticed on the back of the neck, where the neck turns into the headstock, a pimple forming with a split. The truss rod/nut was coming out of the back of the neck. Shit.

1 wrecked LP bass. My understanding is, to have a new neck put on is a pretty expensive proposition and buying a whole new bass would be cheaper/easier.

So last year I bought a brand new '06 and it's been great, other than my unhappiness with the pickups which I'll work around.

The thing that gets me, well besides that I was stupid for not taking off the truss rod cover and looking in there before I paid all that money, is the '94 doesn't seem to have that chamber in the body. I didn't think the chamber made that much of a difference other than weight, but I do think the sound is different. I like the solid '94 body better and if I could have a new neck put on for a reasonable price, I would.

Any thoughts?

You guys are a great source of info, and I feel like I've learned a few things about these basses already. I'm so glad this forums exists and has such friendly, helpful folks hanging around.

P.S. I'm a burnout, the bass I've been talking about replacing pickups on is an '06, not a 96. So to be clear, I have a wrecked '94 and a brand new '06. Sorry for any confusion.

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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2007, 05:47:36 AM »
Don't give up on the '94 yet. Are you in the US? If so, I suggest you talk to Michael Dolan. Never mind that his website only talks about new guitars, he's an expert repairer and refinisher, and he could definitely handle building a replacement set neck or repairing yours if possible. His pricing will be reasonable, you'll just have to decide if it's worth it to you. I seriously doubt it will cost more than the value of the bass. He has an excellent reputation.

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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2007, 04:29:28 PM »
Dave was right with the 1994 exception - I had hoped that you wouldn't have one of those that#s why I didn't bother to mention it!

There is no such thing as an unrepairable neck that won't adjust anymore. At the very worst, the trussrod needs to be replaced and that - at the very worst, not necessarily  - means lifting the board off the neck and installing a new one. Even that type of major repair should still be worthwhile for your 94 LP if everything else is fine.

Uwe

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« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2007, 06:07:10 PM »
How & why are you unhappy with the 06 pickups and what are you running it through ?

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« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2007, 02:29:25 AM »
donnervogel: The truss rod is coming through the back of the neck. Seriously. It's pushing out of the back of the neck. The wood is raised and split. I wish is were as simple as a new truss rod, but it's quite clear the '94 needs a new neck.

Redbird: I'm just not satisfied with their bite. Maybe when I switch them back to passive I'll change my mind. They're running through an original (serial #500-something) SWR SM-400.

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« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2007, 02:44:28 AM »
Here's the pics I promised.

Headstock & overview of the crack:


Close up of the crack. You can't see from this angle, but it's a bubble. It's definitely the truss rod & nut poking through.


Shot of the serial#

 

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