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Mystery SG - please help me name it

Mystery SG - please help me name it
« on: September 03, 2005, 03:59:59 PM »


I know it's not much to go off, but any educated guesses would be much appreciated.

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Lee Zeppelin
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sb300
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2005, 12:36:55 PM »
hi, thats an SB300


are you restoring it?


jules

Mystery SG - please help me name it
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2005, 01:33:32 PM »
I plan to get into working order, it needs a little work. A nut fitting, new strings, machine heads fitting and a set up. Any ideas as to it's worth?
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Sb
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2005, 12:29:22 PM »
If not refinned in good condition all parts $400-500 US

If it is a refin or had repairs half that amount. It was Gibson's budget model, but are climbing in value.

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sb300
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2005, 02:06:14 PM »
try and get all the original parts - specifically tuners - it may take longer, but they do come up on ebay every now and again. The nut is not so critical......

any modifications due to non original parts will reduce the value...

Jules

Mystery SG - please help me name it
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2005, 03:01:22 PM »
Is Ebay my best bet for parts then or does anyone know of any other places ? I'm basicly a complete novice, this just being a project I've decided to inulge myself in. The value of it when it's restored doesn't really matter to me, I'd like to keep it original yes, but don't mind improving on it either - this a guitar I'm building for myself, not one I plan to sell on.

I pick it up on Saturday for ?100, that's about $185 and that includes a gig bag too.

Here are a few more (blured) photos.





Although not shown the tuners and bridge (but perhaps not the bridge cover) are included.

Any and all comments, suggestions or insights are very welcome
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oh dear
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2005, 05:45:20 PM »
That bass has been modified! As far as I know they always had a bridge like this



The first pic is the shortscale SB300, the second, the long scale SB400. Notice the different bridge positions

Now, yours seems to have a light area where the original bridge was, and three new bridge posts added. This in itself is not a problem and the three post bridges are sturdy Gibon bridges, BUT

The distance between the nut and the 12th fret should be the same as the distance between the bridge saddles and 12th fret. It looks like yours was a long scale SB400, rather than an SB300 as I stated earlier. Unless you have had a new neck, or fretboard the new bridge will be in the wrong place! The bass will not intonate, and will be largely unplayable...

Even in this condition ?100 is ok - you can sell the parts for that on ebay, but assuming you want to restore it, I suggest you get the bridge repositioned! This is not a too expensive job,  and seeing as the finish is stripped(ish) a refin would cover the repair. The original bridges do come up, but rarely. I've probably not seen more than 1-2 each year on ebay.

Make sure you follow ebay.com as well as ebay.co.uk, as much more gibson stuff comes up there. Most American sellers will ship to the Uk if you ask them nicely

These basses mostly come from 1971, with a few in 72 and less still in 73

Jules

Moving bridge
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2005, 06:33:57 PM »
The current owner doesn't seem to know too much about it's past, but does say he thinks the neck has been either repaired or replaced. How do I tell which scale it is and also which position is the bridge now in - the Sb300 or 400?

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new neck
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2005, 07:06:00 PM »
ok, that would explain why the bridge is moved. The distance between the nut and the 12th fret will be around 15 1/4 inches on a short scale SB300, and 17 1/4 inches on a long scale SB400./ The distance from the 12th fret to the saddles will be the same

the 12th fret should be exactly half way between the nut and the bridge saddles. You really need to put the bridge on and measure things. The neck looks original - but i can't say for sure. Best to measure the distances

jules

Mystery SG - please help me name it
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2005, 09:03:22 PM »
I've just been sent this by the current owner:

the distance from the nut to the middle of the 12th fret is 16-1/2
"or 420 mm,overall the fret board is 23-3"4 or 603 mm,
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fret measurement and bridges
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2005, 10:37:23 PM »
(s)he should have measured to the actual metal fret, rather than the middle, but thats close enough to suggest that you have a long scale SB400 neck, and the bridge will need moving. Its not too big a deal, and a luthier will probably do it quite cheaply. If you have decided you are not going to wait for the original bridge to come up, a modern day replacement (that will probably work far better) can be had relatively cheaply - most just screw down and you can do it yourself. The trick is about positioning more than actual fitting. I wouldn't drill 3 more holes for that 3 point bridge though - its not original, and is more hassle to fit than it needs be.

I can't say for sure what bridge would be best, but something like this
Bridge-Jazz-bass-P-bass-Individual-saddles-NO-RESERVE may well work, and costs next to nothing... You'd have to try it to see....

If in doubt, a good luthier will sort it for sure. You pay for what you get. What town are you in?
Jules

Mystery SG - please help me name it
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2005, 10:50:24 PM »
I live in Coventry, but will soon go back up to University in Lancaster.

So what have I got an SB400 or an SB300 that's been turned full scale?
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sb400
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2005, 11:54:25 PM »
It looks like an SB400 with the bridge in the wrong place to me

you can't be sure until you see it


Jules

Repair Guide Anyone?
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2005, 01:12:07 PM »
I'll let you know how it turns out on Saturday.

Does anyone know a good guide to restoring one of these, be it online or a book? I want to do as much of it as I can myself, but must admit my skills are rudimentary at best. The first things I need to do is find a new nut and fit it, fit the tuners, bridge and then some new strings. After that I guess I need it proffesionally set up. Not forgetting the wood.

Cheers
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Reranch
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2005, 04:15:02 PM »
www.reranch.com


Read refinnishing 101 and you can ask questions on their expert forum.

Why not name her "Paula"?

My son names his basses. He had a BC Rich Warlock, he named Linda(linda blair).

I bought an Epi EB-3 once and the guy who sold said he named her Lindsy.

Now you will have to name her

 

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