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Vintage gibson triumph bass

Vintage gibson triumph bass
« on: April 24, 2010, 04:37:48 AM »
HI -- I'm new to this forum, so please bear with me.  I have a vintage Gibson Triumph Bass from the 70's (not sure what year) that used to be white and now has turned a mottled yellow.  Does anyone have any idea of what I could do or use to return it to its white state?  I believe I've uploaded an attachment.  If so, this is exactly what mine looks like. --- Thanks, Joy
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Vintage gibson triumph bass
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2010, 07:56:26 AM »
Hi Joy; the cream colour is it's natural ageing and a purist collector would prefer it that way. If you refinish it then it will drastically reduce it's value.

If you're not worried about it's value and just want to keep it to play then you would need to take it to a good luthier who is experienced in refinishing otherwise it could end up looking a mess.

Hope that helps a little.

Mike.
Retired Radio and Electronics Engineer residing in Cambridgeshire.

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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2010, 04:24:02 PM »
Hi Joy, I think most people prefer the cream.
 
Gibson put a clear coat over the white, and that yellows with age. You could, I suppose incredibly carefully remove the top clear coat, and re-apply the clear coat, but i'd advise against this.
 
You know many people get guitars refinned white and then add a hint of yellow to the clear to make it less pure white.
 
Sorry to say this, but your best bet, is to learn to love it! :)

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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2010, 05:17:41 PM »
I agree with Jules; I think a guitar finished in Brilliant White just looks wrong. :frown:

My 1975 Ricky 4001 bass has gone a cream colour but I'd never think of changing it.

Mike.
Retired Radio and Electronics Engineer residing in Cambridgeshire.

Vintage gibson triumph bass
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2010, 06:41:58 PM »
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Hi Joy; the cream colour is it's natural ageing and a purist collector would prefer it that way. If you refinish it then it will drastically reduce it's value.

If you're not worried about it's value and just want to keep it to play then you would need to take it to a good luthier who is experienced in refinishing otherwise it could end up looking a mess.

Hope that helps a little.

Mike.


Hi Mike -- Thanks for your reply.  Actually, it's turned a horrible mottled yellow, and I cannot remember if it started out white or cream.  Do you know how I could ascertain the original color?  I know this is asking a lot, but all you guys on this forum seem fairly knowledgeable about vintage basses.  I don't plan on selling it but don't wish to reduce the value as it'll eventually go to my son.  Thank you again -- Joy

Vintage gibson triumph bass
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2010, 08:19:26 AM »
Joy,

The only thing I could suggest is to give it a clean with T-cut, being careful not to rub too hard and remove too much of the finish. It may remove the discolouration, maybe not; but shouldn't devalue it. Try it on the back of the body first if that is discoloured as well.

Have you got an close-up pics of it that we can see?

Mike.
Retired Radio and Electronics Engineer residing in Cambridgeshire.

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« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2010, 01:36:21 PM »
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I cannot remember if it started out white or cream. Do you know how I could ascertain the original color?

 
Here is the original Les Paul Triumph catalogue page - they were white originally
 

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« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2010, 09:08:14 PM »
Hi Jules -- Thank you so very much.  Great information.  I didn't know any of that.  In response to Repairman 77 who answered my initial query, I will take a photograph up close of my bass and will post it, probably later on today.  Although for Repairman 77, who lives in the UK, the time frame will be quite different.  8 hours, I believe.  Again, grateful for your information.  You all on this Forum know quite a lot.   --- Aloha, Joy

Vintage gibson triumph bass
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2010, 09:09:35 PM »
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Joy,

The only thing I could suggest is to give it a clean with T-cut, being careful not to rub too hard and remove too much of the finish. It may remove the discolouration, maybe not; but shouldn't devalue it. Try it on the back of the body first if that is discoloured as well.

Have you got an close-up pics of it that we can see?

Mike.
Hi Mike -- Thanks.  I'm gonna try and find some T-cut, which I've never heard of before, and give it a good go.  And later on today (MY today in Hawaii), I'll be taking an up close photograph of the bass and will post it here.  Again, deepest appreciation.  --Aloha, Joy

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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2010, 06:23:14 AM »
Quote from: Repairman77;13663
Joy,

The only thing I could suggest is to give it a clean with T-cut, being careful not to rub too hard and remove too much of the finish. It may remove the discolouration, maybe not; but shouldn't devalue it. Try it on the back of the body first if that is discoloured as well.

Have you got an close-up pics of it that we can see?

Mike.


Hi Mike.  Sorry for the delay.  I find this forum incredibly hard to use and seem to only land on the forum accidentally.  Anyway, do you know where I can find this T-cut?  And, as you requested, I'm going to attempt to post pix of the Triumph.  Can't thank you enough for your knowledge and willingness to share it with me.   --- Joy

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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2010, 06:30:24 AM »
Landing on the forum at all for me appears to be quite serendipitous.  And as to uploading pictures, well, so far I have had no success.  Can you help? Thank You, Joy

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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2010, 02:14:18 PM »
Hi Joy,

Anyway, do you know where I can find this T-cut?

It may be called something different over there; it's a fine cutting compound used to revive misty or discoloured paintwork on cars. I'm sure they sell something similar there; ask your local motorist accessory shop.

As for pictures Jules will guide you through it.

Mike.
Retired Radio and Electronics Engineer residing in Cambridgeshire.

Vintage gibson triumph bass
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2010, 06:03:44 PM »
Quote from: Repairman77;13690
Hi Joy,

Anyway, do you know where I can find this T-cut?

It may be called something different over there; it's a fine cutting compound used to revive misty or discoloured paintwork on cars. I'm sure they sell something similar there; ask your local motorist accessory shop.

As for pictures Jules will guide you through it.

Mike.


Hi Mike -- And thanks.  As you can see, I managed to find your post today.  So, I'll just wait for Jules to respond so I can upload pix.  And yes, I checked on T-Cut on line and found places where I can get it.  I'll certainly try it.  Sounds good.  Thanks again. ---- Aloha, Joy

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« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2010, 09:32:12 AM »
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Hi Mike -- And thanks.  As you can see, I managed to find your post today.  So, I'll just wait for Jules to respond so I can upload pix.  And yes, I checked on T-Cut on line and found places where I can get it.  I'll certainly try it.  Sounds good.  Thanks again. ---- Aloha, Joy


Joy
Dont do it,unless you can confirm that the paint finish will not react with the T-Cut, T Cut is for automotive cellulose finishes not all guitar finishes were cellulose especially in the 70,s when manufacurers seemed to be experimenting with paints a lot more than today.I have used T cut and had very good results I have also used it and found that residue has gone through the paint and discoloured the original finish leaving loads of unsightly cream & brownish patches.Your guitar has taken the best part of 40 years to acheive what is a desirable colouration please dont risk it......
BUT if you must contact Gibson Im certain they will give you confirmation of the paint and laquer used,then you will be able to find out if T Cut reacts with these from T Cuts Material Data Sheet which will be available on line.

Good luck
Tino

Vintage gibson triumph bass
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2010, 05:05:34 PM »
Thanks for the info Tino but I've T-cut dozens of guitars from 60's to 90's and never had a problem with it. Also done many cars as well and never had any problems.

However the best way would be to do a small patch somewhere that doesn't show just in case; perhaps on the back.

Mike.
Retired Radio and Electronics Engineer residing in Cambridgeshire.

 

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