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« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2008, 01:38:04 AM »
I wonder if the cassidy bass balances better - it's got a significantly longer body. I really like that one.

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« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2008, 01:56:59 AM »
I don't know if the long wings would help it balance or not. The main reason why V basses don't balance is the lack of an upper "horn" like a Fender or Rickenbacker. That's why Fender extended the upper cutaway on the Precision Bass instead of just making a "Telecaster Bass" as it were.
This is why T-Birds, EB's etc. have a neck dive problem. It seems that Fender's philosophy was to always design a bass as a BASS, almost from the ground up, whereas Gibson's strategy (the EB-1 being the exception that makes the rule) was to make a bass version of an existing guitar..the original Les Paul Jr. bodied EB-0, all the SG bodied EBs, as well as the EB-2 and of course the Thunderbirds are all essentially a Gibson guitar with bass neck and hardware.
In fact, now that I think about it, the oft maligned Ripper is probably he first "purpose built" Gibson bass...rather noteworthy!

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« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2008, 03:59:16 AM »
Quote from: guitarshark
was to make a bass version of an existing guitar..the original Les Paul Jr. bodied EB-0, all the SG bodied EBs, as well as the EB-2 and of course the Thunderbirds are all essentially a Gibson guitar with bass neck and hardware


I know what you are saying, but I would put it a little more favourably to the basses...

These bass models were made at the same time as, rather than from an existing model. I would suggest that both were designed together from the same principles. Guitar and bass being equal, rather than one being an afterthought of the other....

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« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2008, 04:34:52 AM »
True, they possibly were developed at the same time, but I think the guitar versions' release usually preceded the bass versions slightly...

Still, the fact that Gibson chose to develop bass and guitar versions of the same instrument suggests to me that basses were not given the same R&D priority as the guitars. A bass guitar is not simply a 4 stringed guitar tuned an octave lower...in CAN be, but the reality is more complex than that. Obviously, Gibson basses have there charm and character, but I think a strong objective case can be made that a Fender bass is a "better" engineered bass guitar than say, an EB-0.
I suppose this is subjective, but few would call an SG an "EB-3 guitar" or a Firebird a "Thunderbird guitar". I can't begin to count how many times I've heard EB's referred to as "SG basses" (even Gibson now has an SG Bass!) and Thunderbirds as "Firebird basses".That the identity of Gibson basses is tied to the guitars might be down to the general public being more aware of guitars than basses, but consider that one never hears of anyone referring to a Fender Precision or Jazz as a "Stratocaster Bass" ...
Despite this, I'm not attempting to denigrate Gibson basses or deify Fenders at the expense of Gibsons...I own quite a few of both makes, after all. I just find it interesting how the two major pioneering guitar companies chose to build bass guitars when there weren't many (or any) other bass guitars around to use as a design template. And lets not even get into Rickenbacker!

John Entwistle Flying V bass
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2011, 01:00:32 AM »
Yes, John Entwistle used a similar bass in the movie Tommy during the pinball battle scene.

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« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2011, 08:57:56 PM »
Wikipedia states that Jacks bass is indeed a Guild.

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« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2011, 12:27:39 PM »
Jack talks about his Guild flying V bass here


DFS

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« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2013, 03:28:41 AM »
Pete’s Flying V bass was built by me in March of 1968 using a Gibson EB3 with an extra humbucking pickup. I cut off excess material from the body and headstock and then grafted new material to reconfigure it as a custom replica of a Flying V like the 58 that Billy had purchased. I had to hurry as my custom V body Fender Jazz had been stolen from our equipment truck after the Dallas Hendrix show 2/16/68 and we had gigs every week. I am the bass player from The Moving Sidewalks. Pete felt cheated/deceived when his guitar tech stripped the bass to re-spray it and found it was not an authentic Explorer model.  He should have also found the four nail holes on the back that I used to mount my spinnng mechanism that was used for a couple of months. It was similar to the two that I made for Dusty and Billy for the “Leggs” video. When I consigned the bass at Arnold & Morgan in Garland,Texas I told the person at the store that it was not an authentic V bass but one that I had custom built to resemble one. Between me and Pete the bass was misrepresented intentionally or through ignorance but not by me! When Tommy came out in 1975 Dan Mitchell called me to say that Entwistle was playing my bass. For several years I tried to reach Pete thought the record label to no avail. I thought he would be interested in the background history.
The Sidewalks had developed a dynamic end of show presentation. Pioneers of “Flash Bombs’ which were used in the final song with, fog machines, strobes and feedback. The Yard birds “I’m A Man” was played “Who” style at the end. With chaotic sound and Billy’s guitar feeding back he would walk off followed by Tom who had jammed a matchbook in the keys of his B3 while Dan and I wailed away. Billy and Tom walked off the deck and I gave my V bass a mighty spin and stood arms out stretched to the sky flashing piece signs. It was a wild sight with the strobe freezing the motion of the bass and the fog and seconds later the bombs went off with a thundering whoomp and blinding flash. Of course my bass had been unplugged right before and it was hazardous with those keys whizzing past my head and then knowing how to stop it. I was able to do it and get off the stage before the lights came back on.  It was always good for a standing O which was somewhat rare. We did the same thing at both Doors shows in Dallas and Houston. On the second and last show with them, their equipment was set a little too close to the flash bombs and the amps were singed which caused them to scurry out and tamp out whatever was smoldering.
Sure wish I could have talked to him back then! He missed some pretty interesting history.

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« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2013, 08:24:12 AM »
Hi.

Not been here for a while, so thought I would do a pre Christmas catch up.

This thread started a long tome ago and reading the last entry, I think it has
wandered off topic?

It caught my interest, due to the title - I did a series of features on Peter Cook,
the guitar builder, who I still keep in touch with and looking at the first post, it looks like one of JAE's "'ere, stick this lot together" :-D

I can ask him if he had anything to do with it.

I have read the post by DFS a couple of times but perhaps need to read further down to truly understand it.
I wonder who DFS is, who is Pete and is the bass that Jack is playing the one DFS made?

Look forward to your reply.

Cheers. :)

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« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2013, 12:32:54 PM »
DFS must be Don Summers of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moving_Sidewalks.

Great story DFS - thanks for posting - so to clarify, you mean this bass??

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And who was Pete? Pete Townsend??

Did anyone ever film your Moving Sidewalks end-of-set mayhem?

 

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