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Gibson Bass Truss Rod

Gibson Bass Truss Rod
« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2008, 05:32:58 PM »
"Are you implying (by your "blurrier" description) that the Satin GOW model is a less desirable model (tonewise) than the standard models or just an alternate tonality, different than the others?"

But in the Gibson cosmos "blurry" is doubleplusgood! The regular Doublecut/Money without the walnut toneplate sounds like a modern mahogany bass, warm, some bluriness, but with still enough zzzing and transparency to satisfy someone who likes a mordern bass sound that is slightly different. In contrast, the walnut toneplated GoW Moneys lose the zzzing and the clarity, but get a barking, robust midtone that makes them sound a lot more vintage than they seem. In fact that is my only contention: With the walnut toneplate the Money's sound is so unabashed growly and non-hifi, some people attracted by its modern looks might come away disappointed. A walnut Money sounds more vintage than say a modern TBird.

I can't say which version is better. In a prog outfit where I want my basslines heard clearly I'd probably prefer the regular Money, likewise if you slap and pop, but for grooving "groundwork" in a rock band the GoW walnut toneplated version is great.

Both basses were certainly not deleted for their sound.

Uwe

Hello, is there anyone at home?
« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2008, 07:16:13 PM »
Of course my post is absurd (dark sarcasm is a chosen form of humor not always appreciated or understood) but it is only off the mark as far degree.

I can easily look past slightly sloppy finishes and workmanship or cheap knobs on a low cost instrument (which this instrument was not designed to be) but what should NOT be ignored is a product that is presented as a quality U.S.-made unit shipped WITH AN INSPECTION CHECK-OFF LIST that is supposed to indicate it has passed basic functionality and acceptability tests (which for the most part it did), yet the unit has a fundamental design flaw or manufacturing defect in a basic component that is required for proper operation (and this apparently isn't an isolated incident).  I think this calls the process into question.

Gibson has been making this style of instrument for a few years and ought to know how to do it by now, don't you think?  I didn't espouse returning to a previous problem era but expected that the experience gained should have prevented similar problems from occurring 50 years down the road.  Have the bean-counters successfully forced out all the craftsman and replaced them with less-skilled labor (who fill out check-off sheets)?  I am not commenting on a scratch in the finish but the failure of a basic structural member here.

Why should I have to call them when they offer an alternate conduit of communication through their web site?  If they don't answer the phone should I send them a telegram?

Web site support (technical data, spec sheets, schematics, set-up documents, catalogs, archives, user forums, etc.) is an important preliminary form of front-line Customer Service... it allows the customer to help himself get past basic needs that should not require tying up a human Customer Support resources on the phone.  To redesign a web site and remove support elements in favor of a fashion statement should make you mad in my book (especially when the product is still being sold and is under warranty).  Less information and more fluff is NOT better Customer Service!  Not answering a single simple support-related question posed by e-mail in a timely fashion is just another symptom of the same disease.

I have better things to do than navigate a corporate phone system and be put on hold until I can talk to a representative who has a high likelihood of not being able to answer my question.  Bypassing this futile process is what e-mail is best at if they actually treat it with the same importance as their phone inquiries.  So far, they haven't answered the phone...

YMMV   :roll:

No Longer a Problem... I canceled my order!
« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2008, 08:20:25 PM »
After an almost  3-week-long Keystone Cops relationship with Musician's Friend regarding the return and replacement of my defective Gibson Money Bass, I finally gave up and canceled the order.  Every other step of this process was a broken promise, total incompetency, corporate bureaucracy or an outright lie.  The most honest part of the transaction was the original title of "Stupid Deal of the Day".

Musician's Friend and Gibson have successfully worked together in tag-team fashion to make a normally patient customer so LIVID with the incompetency of this whole transaction that I finally wondered WHY I was giving these meatballs a second or third chance in the first place!

I don't have to wonder if the replacement will work and I don't have to deal with it if it doesn't.  It is not my problem anymore.  I will NEVER buy another Gibson product online... unless I can do it through a competent dealer (not an on-line warehouse) that would screen these factory defects before a customer sees it, since the manufacturer doesn't seem to be able to do it.

I didn't find the deal OR this bass to be THAT good (even if it worked right) that I would put up with the all the problems it has caused me.  Problem solved, on to other things that don't begin with a "G".

 :twisted:

Bass
« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2008, 12:23:27 AM »
Well I got my answer form Gibson about my Money bass (satin finish) they have no more to replace it with and don't want to fix the truss rod problem because it would cost more than the Bass... I don't know what to do they want to send me a Thunderbird Studio Ebony finish... I played this bass when I saw the money bass it just wasn't as solid feeling and sounding to me....Anybody have any suggestions!

Gibson Bass Truss Rod
« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2008, 01:51:48 AM »
I guess it depends on how attached you are to the Gibson feel or sound.  While I liked a lot about the Money Bass, I'm just not prepared to bend over for it.  In many ways I am sad that this didn't work out for me OR you.  I am ultimately happy I didn't get stuck with a lemon model that even the manufacturer won't fix!

To make myself feel better on the cheap, I ordered one of these:

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(Note:  The best photos are at the bottom of the listing!)

When I bought the Money Bass I figured I'd splurge on a nice 4-string bass but we know where that wound up.  I have wanted both a 5-string Bass and a 4-string fretless bass primarily for recording and the occasional gig.  This place claims to open each one, inspect it, adjust it, set it up and unconditionally guarantee it.  If it plays free of major problems it HAS to be a keeper at this price!  It even has a Gibson-like double-cutaway shape (although updated with a "comfort cut" on the rear... a feature Gibson only employs on a few models to date).

I also have my eye on a used Fender fretless (made in Japan) so we'll see where that goes.  My standard "go to" basses are a pair of 1997 Fender Precision Bass Specials (made in USA) that have Jazz necks with maple fingerboards and a P/J pickup and control configuration.  These basses (both purchased used about 8 years ago) have been flawless... great workmanship!  I love the thinner Jazz necks for live rock & roll and these basses have never let me down (but they don't do a few things that a 5-string and a fretless will help do).

Myself, I just don't care for the finishes or styling of the Thunderbird models.  That design has always struck me as awkward and accidental (like the Gibson Moderne guitar) while the Money Bass looked like a classic design to me (and felt good in my hands).   Oh well.

 :(

Guitar
« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2008, 11:04:22 PM »
Well Gibson offered me a Guitar so I am going to take it in place of the bass I am getting a Les Paul Studio Wine Red finish
I guess I would rather have that than a thunderbird studio Bass

Gibson Bass Truss Rod
« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2008, 11:26:00 PM »
I think that's a smart move... that's a nice guitar (and a nice finish).  I almost got this model myself.  Does it have the gold or chrome hardware?

I am still sorry that the Money Bass didn't work out but I'm also glad I didn't get stuck with a lemon!

 

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