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1967 Fender bass w/ Jazz pickup & Precision bass

1967 Fender bass w/ Jazz pickup & Precision bass
« on: October 20, 2010, 11:39:14 PM »
I've recently got a bass from one of my friend and it's 1967 Fender Bass. I'm not sure if the neck has been replaced or they issued the bass like this. If anyone has any idea about if this bass is completely original from 1967 or not, please let me know!:)

Dave W

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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2010, 06:15:57 PM »
No, it's not factory original. Fender never issued a Precision Bass neck with a Jazz bass body. But there's no such thing as a factory 67 Precision Bass neck with block inlays. It's possible that it's an original Jazz neck with a non-original decal -- what is the width at the nut?

But if it's a genuine Precision neck, then it has had a new fretboard installed. Also, since this may be a parts bass, keep in mind that the neck plate may or may not be original to that bass.

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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2010, 09:04:16 PM »
I agree - per usual - with Dave. Something is rotten in Denmark. And with this bass.  The decal and the neck don't match, but that is not the end of the world.

The neck plate is consistent with a 67 date, as are the tuners.  The 67 neck would have come with a standard Jazz Bass decal on top of the finish.  It was very very common for those - mine included - to flake off as they were simple water transfer decals. Think an old model kit.

The decal on yours is a late 68 to 75 reverse decal.  These never come off.  And they are buried. So, my guess is that if the neck has a 67 date on the heel ( it should and it should be an A as it is a Jazz with the binding and blocks ) then the decal is phony baloney, and not a big deal in the long run.

Your electronics - assuming they are original - should have dates.  If the bottom of the pickups are in line with the neck date - and it is sometimes hard to see - then cool.  The pots would more than likely have 1966 dates.

I am guessing that this is a beat and badly refinished 67 Jazz with a goofball's idea of a decal.  So, no problem removing, and replacing with a correct type Jazz decal, as the rest looks straight.  And worth these days a couple of grand?

Your tuners are worth a few bucks as is!
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