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Gibson Les Paul Triumph Ivory White

Thijs

Gibson Les Paul Triumph Ivory White
« on: January 11, 2007, 12:23:22 PM »
I have an Ivory white in my collection with serial number 870034 (stamped in the back of the headstock, hardly readable…).
The story of this bass is that it came to Holland in 1978 after being in store for 6 years (possible?). At this time I'm the third owner.
The bass is in super condition and all original. Sounds awsome...
Does anyone know more about the manufactoring year?

Hombre Thijs... Tabasco!

www.treshombres.nl

Gibson Les Paul Triumph Ivory White
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2007, 07:03:51 PM »
A picture will help us help you. Gibson serial numbers are pretty unreliable - case in point is yours.  870034 could be (according to certaqin sources) either 1968 or 1972.  Since you say you have a Triumph I would guess 72.... but that's if you trust the serial number (the shipping records show no white ones shipped until 1975).... does the serial number on yours start with "00?"

Try also looking at the pot codes

for info on how to do this see:
https://www.flyguitars.com/gibson/bass/parts/pots.php
http://www.triodeel.com/eiacode.htm

Gibson Les Paul Triumph Ivory White
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2007, 07:29:38 PM »
if it started with 00 wouldent that represent a 76 ?

Thijs

Gibson Les Paul Triumph Ivory White
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2007, 07:58:47 PM »
Hi there, I'd sent some pic's to Jules this afternoon... he would put them on, since I don't know how to do that :( ...
I hope he does it soon... or can anyone tell me how to load them up?

Anyway... the serialnumber does not start with 00.
The potsnumbers are: 70-981 (gibson indication) and 137-74-37... so this indicate's 1974...
Hombre Thijs... Tabasco!

www.treshombres.nl

Gibson Les Paul Triumph Ivory White
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2007, 07:59:50 PM »
Yes serial numbers starting with "00" (decal versus stamped into the wood) signify a 1976 .... usually, this is Gibson we're talking about after all; it could also be 75 or 77.

My white Triumph has a decal (00 serial number) and the pots say 1975... which means it's 75 or 76 (the pots can only give a 'no earlier than' date.  I checked my serial number and it was inconclusive.

Thijs - does your Triumph have a 2 point or 3 point bridge (despite the fact that the Gibson shipping totals show no white ones in 72, it still could be from that year; if yous has a 2 point that would be my bet)?

Thijs

Gibson Les Paul Triumph Ivory White
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2007, 08:13:31 PM »
The bridge is a 3 point.
The potsnumer is 137-74-37 so 1974.

What would it be? Could it be that de white one's were stored up for a while (cause that's the story...)?
Hombre Thijs... Tabasco!

www.treshombres.nl

Gibson Les Paul Triumph Ivory White
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2007, 08:33:19 PM »
I'd say probably an early-mid 75 (first official shipment of Whities), but maybe late 74 due to the pot codes (37th week of 64 gives plenty of time for them to be put into a basss before end of year... and ya, they probably started making the white ones before the official release).

... That is WAY off with the serial number  (is it a decal "00" number or not?) if using Ian C Bishop's list.  Another source (Gibson website/Blue Book)gives 1973-1974 as includding 8xxxxx numbers.

Thijs

Gibson Les Paul Triumph Ivory White
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2007, 09:14:54 PM »
The serialnumber has got NO double "00", it starts with the 8 and has six digits.

If you give me an emailadress, I'll mail the pic...
Hombre Thijs... Tabasco!

www.treshombres.nl

Gibson Les Paul Triumph Ivory White
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2007, 09:46:46 PM »
PM sent with my email address (check all the way up top between "Profile" and "logout")

Gibson Les Paul Triumph Ivory White
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2007, 04:29:58 AM »
It's a pretty one.  74 or 5, no way to narrow it down any further.







and, of coarse the all too familiar rats nest:



I see got yourself a chip thre on the edge of the control plate by the jack.  I strongly advise you to reinforce the entire plate with a thin sheet of aluminium cut to shape.  It will save you tears; they shatter so easily .... it also makes a much better grounding plate than the stock peice of foil on the underside.

My 65/6 came to me with poorly mended plate.  There is nowhere to get a nicely labeled replacement, so I made this one:


Thijs

Gibson Les Paul Triumph Ivory White
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2007, 06:41:23 AM »
Thanks Granny! for putting up my pic's... and your knowlegde. Very kind!
Hombre Thijs... Tabasco!

www.treshombres.nl

 

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