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'75 Gibson Ripper Tobacco Sunburst - let's try again

'75 Gibson Ripper Tobacco Sunburst - let's try again
« on: April 29, 2013, 06:11:16 PM »
Thanks to Jules I found out that that the sunburst Ripper I posted a while back was refinished so I ended up returning it. I just recently found another one and the seller (a luthier that owns a music store) claimed it's all original.
My big big issue is that when i received it I noticed immediately that the headstock was twisted, checked the neck and seems it's slightly twisted too.

What do you think?

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'75 Gibson Ripper Tobacco Sunburst - let's try again
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2013, 11:29:24 PM »
Looks like you're not having much luck. Warped necks seem to be one of the recurring problems in Rippers. How bad does it affect the bass when strung? Or have you not put it together?

'75 Gibson Ripper Tobacco Sunburst - let's try again
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2013, 02:49:54 AM »
Thanks Jules I haven't done anything yet, I'm waiting for my tech to let  me know when I can bring it in, but in all honesty I didn't expect a  Music Store to "miss" a twist. Does the finish look right to you? I  measured the difference and there are 2.5mm on the treble side (2.5mm  lower). I'm definetely more concern about the finish though, if in fact  it's a sunburst '75 it's 1 of 5 correct?

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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2013, 10:42:53 AM »
Well....  it is really hard to be definitive about these things. From your pics it is hard to say that the finish is original or not.

The edges look a bit too rounded (implying oversanding on a refin) but that might be just the picture. I'd have a good look for finish in screw holes (there shouldn't be), over sanded edges, and sanding scratches under the finish. It's hard to be sure without seeing the bass personally.

The early sunbursts usually had completely shaded horns, but there was certainly variation so you can not be absolute about this. In the early days they certainly tried different bursts to see what worked.

The shipping figures suggesting only 5 bursts in '75 are notoriously incorrect, I personally wouldn't put too much weight on them. Rippers are hard to date with any accuracy - and remember these are 'shipped in' dates not 'built in' so those '75s may well have '74 pots and serial numbers.

Do you have pot codes and a serial number. Let me look to see if I have any pics of one from around the same time to compare to.

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'75 Gibson Ripper Tobacco Sunburst - let's try again
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2013, 12:56:47 AM »
I see a few things that are not right, the way it's glowing under UV  compared to my other 2 Rippers, the inside of the horns, the darker  spots etc. Jules, what do you think?

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'75 Gibson Ripper Tobacco Sunburst - let's try again
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2013, 01:32:22 PM »
what do you think Jules?

 

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