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I.D./info help on my '70's Les Paul bass

I.D./info help on my '70's Les Paul bass
« on: July 13, 2012, 03:31:27 AM »
Anyone ever see one like this?







I've owned this bass since the mid 80's, and the story I got when I bought it was that it was built by a Gibson factory employee as a personal, custom instrument, but I've got no evidence to support that.

There's obviously a Triumph pedigree here, but clearly with some MAJOR differences...

Fretless...

Electronics are different - Seems like a similar control layout, but different hardware, and nothing marked, and I have no idea what those pickups are.

Bridge is a BadAss.

All of these mods appear to be part of the original build, since the pickups are mounted directly into the body, and there's been no additional routing or body mod. Same thing for the bridge. I've had it off, and there's been no evidence of anything else ever having been attached.

Was the 3 piece neck standard?

No serial number, or at least none that I can make out - see pics, as there appears to be some type of stamping under the finish.\.

It's in nearly mint condition, including the ebony fretboard. It's got the same tapewounds still on it from when I bought it, so it looks like it's had an easy life. I also have the original Gibson case, which is slightly worn, with one metal "foot" missing, and one side of the plastic carry handle worn through and no longer attached.

I'd greatly appreciate it if anyone had any info to add.

Thanks!

David

P.S. I have more pics if you want them...





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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2012, 11:41:53 AM »
Thats a nice looking bass. What does the back look like? Is there a volute?
Yes a three piece neck is normal - have a look at my Triumph here https://www.flyguitars.com/gibson/bass/1972LesPaulTriumph.php - three piece neck clearly visable

Does it play well?

I would imagine that this was a project done away from the Gibson plant. The electronics/pickups/knobs are all non-Gibson.

I personally doubt the often stated 'employee' built stories - this was not allowed, certainly in the 1970s. But when the Kalamazoo plant closed a lot of raw materials and guitar parts got bought up by all sorts of people. There are still parts on ebay today from those sales.

Or I suppose a new veneer could have been put over the top of an existing Triumph to cover old holes/routes. Have you ruled this out?

Whatever it is a good looking bass

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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2012, 10:50:36 PM »
Hey, Jules,

Thanks for the input.

I've never particularly put much weight to the employee build story, but was just putting it out there as what I was told when I bought it

I'm a little confused about the "veneer" comment - This carved top is is solid, and thick, and I can't imagine that if it started life as a Triumph, that someone would go through the trouble to completely re-top this guitar for the sake of new pickups. Maybe I'm just not understanding what you meant.

Also, there's the whole fretless neck thing... Seems totally stock, and not like the frets were pulled and filled, or anything like that.

No volute on the neck. the back is a solid slab with a tummy cut. I don't have a pic of the full back, but I'm attaching more pics with closeups.

The body seems like a front/back sandwich, with either a thin layer between them, or some sort of binding added to separate them visually. You can see it in the pics.

This weekend I'm planning to put her on the bench and get more pics of the pickups and the routs, as well as the electronics and the cavity.

Thanks again for the help!

David








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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2012, 10:51:27 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2012, 08:37:15 PM »
Very interesting bass...does indeed look like a part finished instrument that was sold off from the factory and finished out with...must have a powerful output with those DiMarzio Model 0ne pickups! Remember seeing a part finished type 3 SG deluxe on ebay that had a factory stamped "666" serial number, and a completely inverted Gibson logo on the headstock! Nice to see something unique every now and then..thanks for the pics......

I.D./info help on my '70's Les Paul bass
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2012, 12:50:28 AM »
nice - I have the only other Fretless Triumph I have ever seen, also with the ebony fingerboard and the same dots on the side of the neck. Mine has the 3-point bridge and a volute. Here is the old thread ...
http://forums.vintageguitarandbass.com/showthread.php?889

I.D./info help on my '70's Les Paul bass
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2014, 03:14:31 AM »
I'm now selling this bass on eBay:

Les Paul Bass

If you're interested in making a private offer, please send me a message.

Thanks!

Dave

I.D./info help on my '70's Les Paul bass
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2014, 06:14:46 PM »
I just bought it, and will be delivered Monday. I can't wait. I love different and unique instruments. I've never heard of a fretless LP Triumph bass. I going to dig deep to find out what this bass is all about. This will be my third Gibson Triumph!

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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2014, 08:14:57 PM »
I found the serial number on my fretless Les Paul Triumph bass, its 01017.

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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2014, 11:21:57 AM »
Quote from: dmarkvid2;18115
I found the serial number on my fretless Les Paul Triumph bass, its 01017.

surely that should be a six digit number? -  it would be cenetered on the headstock, so you should be able to see whether it is the first or last digit missing

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« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2014, 06:54:02 PM »
That's where I found the number in the center of the headstock. I had to use a magnifying glass to see it. I looked several times and seems like 5 digits. Its as clear as day I'll try to post a pix

 

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