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1971 Fender Stratocaster ? Please Help

1971 Fender Stratocaster ? Please Help
« on: June 15, 2011, 09:48:39 PM »
Hi can anyone please help me date this Fender Stratocaster which i have just brought .

It was advertised as being an 1971 Genuine Fender Stratocaster but when i arrived i took it apart and certain things do not add up  .

I am not an expert on Strats but from my research it looks to be an mid 70s 3 bolt neck Fender stratocaster guitar which has been converted to an 4 bolt neck with an 71 serial Neckplate.
Also the guitar may have been refinished as the neck socket has no markings and looks to be filled where the micro tilt originally was , i could be totally wrong and the guitar is all original .

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/shahpur/70s5.jpg
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Little things like the pots and control knobs being changed are not really an issue but  i paid quite a bit for the guitar thinking it was an 71 fender .

I have attached some pictures below and any help would be much appreciated
Sheldon

1971 Fender Stratocaster ? Please Help
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2011, 02:39:27 PM »
Hi Sheldon,
the neckcode seems to be based on codes used between 1972 and 1980. It is hard to make out, but I think it says 0903122X, an eight digit code of which 09 means stratocaster and 03 means maple neck. 12 would be the production week of 2=1972. Last number is weekday number.
The neckpocket is filled with lacquer which almost certainly means it is a refinish, search for any nailholes under the pickguard. If these nailholes are also filled, it is a refinish for sure.
This is all I can say from the photos you posted.
Greetz,
Gerbrand

1971 Fender Stratocaster ? Please Help
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2011, 07:58:35 AM »
Hi. I just went through dating and debating about my 1970/1971 Stratocaster. You may know the following info, or it may be helpful.  Take care. Toppscore :)

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Serial Numbers on the neck plate:
210000 to 249999 = 1968
250000 to 279999 = 1969
280000 to 300000 = 1970
300000 to 330000 = 1971
330000 to 370000 = 1972
370000 to 520000 = 1973
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1969-1971 Most all Strats had a Seven Digit Green neck-butt stamp indicating
Stratocaster production. All had green ink. Yours has eight digits and is not "green", so it is probably a 1972 or later.
*1969: new type of neck stamp consisting of 6, 7 or 8 digits was used on some models. This new stamp was usually green ink. An example of this type of neck code is "529129B". The new green stamp was used concurrently with the previous "XX MMM-YY W" format. So a neck could have either code system! The model numbers change yet again (for example, "22"=Stratocaster).
*1972: Fender changed to yet another new type of neck stamp which had 8-digits. This was stamped in green or red ink. A example of this is "02033923" found on a Jazz Bass. From 1972 through about March 1973, this new system was used concurrently with the previous "XX MMM-YY W" format. Again, a neck was stamped with either the new or the old date stamp, but not both. The model numbers change yet again (for example, "09"=Stratocaster)
*April 1973 to 1980: After March 1973, Fender dropped the old style date stamp and continued to use the new style, 8-digit code
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Check your Three Position Pickup Switch Controller. Does it have a white center wheel that is plastic? Does it have one or two serial numbers? Does your switch have the "<>" Diamond logo. The original Fender three position dates from 1965-1972. This will help to check the body parts to see if you are 1972 or 1973(+)
*1963 to 1965: Strats still use the CRL 1452 3-way switch, but the fiberous brown bakelite material that holds the switch contacts is replaced with a less fiberous brown bakelite (lighter in color) that is cut round (like a half moon, instead of having flat sides). The center wheel is still brown bakelite.
*1965 to early 1973: Strats still use the CRL 1452 3-way switch with the less fiberous brown bakelite round cut (half moon) center. But now the center wheel is white plastic instead of brown bakelite. May or may not have a Diamond logo (seen both ways).
*Later 1973 to early 1980s: CRL 1452 switches still look basically the same as the previous version, but only one patent number. Definately a Diamond logo during this period. These switches still say "Made in USA"
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The one-piece “Mable Neck & Fretboard” with a 1950s style walnut "skunk stripe" down the backside, was introduced in 1969.
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Old style (pre-1971) Stratocaster bridge. Note the nickel plated saddles with "Fender Pat. Pend." stamped in them. Reissue saddles look exactly the same but are stamped "Fender Fender". When the pickguard is removed you should see the "nail hole" just above the pickguard screw hole. If this nail hole does not have paint in it, the finish is probably original.
*1971 the Strat bridge changes to a less expesive saddle made of cast metal

 

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