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new Les Paul Triumph owner

new Les Paul Triumph owner
« on: December 31, 2007, 06:21:42 AM »
Or should I say guardian? I haven't posted here in a long time, but I've been lurking! Now I finally have something to post about.

A few months ago I came into possession of an early '70s Triumph. I say early '70s because of the 2-point bridge and that's what the Guitar Dater Project website said. Here's a pic:



This is my first Les Paul ever (guitar or bass), and I really like it! It strikes me as a classy instrument, from the binding on the body to the inlays on the headstock. Well, the pickguard is more like a control panel rather than classy. Anyway, here's a shot of the binding:



The only problem I have with the bass is minor - I've got the action set nicely, but the 5th fret on the A string buzzes. I adjusted the truss rod a bit, but I don't want to go too nuts since all the other frets are fine. It's pretty heavy too, but actually not that uncomfortable, though I haven't had to hold it for more than 10-20 minutes at a time.

I'm really impressed with the range of sounds this thing puts out, and the past few days I've been working on some sound clips. The low impedance sound is very cool - even with the selector switch on the bassiest setting there's a good amount of treble:

low impedance setting

I also recently picked up an Alembic SF-2 Superfilter which is awesome! So this next clip switches between the direct high impedance sound, the same sound through the SF-2 with only a low boost and high boost - no middle - and both. In this clip, the tone switch is in the middle position.

high impedance & superfilter

It's easy to tell the difference between the direct signal (lots of midrange) and the SF-2 signal (deep and bright), but it's harder to tell when they're combined - you can hear both from 0:21-0:28 and from 1:04-end.

And finally, I have a question - is the Triumph considered a "hobbit"? I know it's not an official designation, but the only discussion I remember about what constitutes a hobbit was at the 'Pit v. 2...

Sorry for the long post, but I'm glad I got another post in for 2007! Happy New Year!!!

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« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2007, 09:17:31 AM »
Welcome to the club 8)

Uwe came up with the Hobbit name. And with Uwe being the Lord of the Gibson-ring I guess you can call it official.

Your sound samples are excellent! You're obviously a gifted player. Great melodic yet solid style!
And the Triumph sounds divine too. They simply have the best bass sound I've ever heard (especially in lo setting)


cheers,
Rob

and go easy on the fire crackers...
cheers!

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« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2007, 12:37:10 PM »
Clips sound Great Harry. Nice bass too.

I think  the Lo impedance clips sound better

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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2007, 02:32:01 PM »
I prefer the Lo setting too, it has a Jazz Bass characteristic to it. Which makes it JLO I guess. Nice playing.

"Hobbit" is actually reserved as a term for Triumphs and Recordings, but I've seen it used with other short scale Gibsons too.  They are small, but brave basses, hence the name.

Uwe

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« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2007, 04:24:55 PM »
Thanks for posting Harry

Thats in great condition.....

and really nice clips too. Especially like the low impedance clip - just like everyone else. What strings have you got on it? They sound new whatever they are....

So is this direct into your recorder? No low-impedance amplifier I take it?

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« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2007, 04:26:31 PM »
Quote from: donnervogel
it has a Jazz Bass characteristic to it.


I couldn't disagree more. I've never heard a Jazz Bass with such even sounding tones from the tightest lows all the way up to the clearest highs.

The deep lows are one of a kind. No other bass -that I know of- is that tight down there.

IMHO a Jazz Bass sounds bland compared to a Les Paul Bass.
cheers!

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« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2007, 06:36:52 PM »
Great looking bass! I'll listen to the samples later.

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« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2007, 09:40:35 PM »
Thanks everybody! I had a lot of fun playing around with the bass, the sound-clips and the pictures.

I should have said something more specific about how I did the recordings - the drums are being played by my buddy Greg DeGuglielmo (here's the original recording done with my 4001, called 23 1/3). I basically just plugged directly into my old MBox with Fulltone cable. On the high impedence recording, I went into a splitter box, the clean signal was again direct into the MBox (it has different input impedence settings), and the other signal was just the SF-2.

I agree that the low impedence setting sounds cool. I was really kind of surpised at the crispness of the high end - almost Alembic sounding! I think that if I play around with it more, that I should be able to get a similar sound with the SF-2 and the high impedence setting. The SF-2 really brings out the sizzle in the high end that isn't there with the direct high impedence sound. But the SF-2 doesn't create those frequencies - they have to be there to begin with. As far as I can tell, it can't really do it with the bassiest setting, but that's what really surprised me - the bassiest setting recorded low impedence has a lot of high frequencies that don't seem to be there when done high impedence.

A couple of other recording notes - the strings are round wound LaBellas - I really like these strings! They are perfect for the two point bridge, because there aren't any windings at the ball-end. Both recordings were with both pickups and the tone & volume controls full up. And both were played with a pick.

I have to agree with Uwe that it does have what strikes me as a "Jazz Bass" characteristic, in that the sound is full and deep with high end and scooped midrange that you usually don't get with a single pickup bass like a P-bass. I think you can get this sound with a Ric as well, though Basvarken could be right about the superiority of the Triumph!

Finally, I like the hobbit designation. For whatever reason, it seems to fit. The Triumph definitely feels different than my Melody Maker or EB-2.

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« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2007, 11:40:58 PM »
Harry-

Beautiful bass, photos, and recordings!!

I too especially like that low-Z sound, and also that tone right before fadeout on the hi-Z superfilter clip.  It's good to hear one right up front in the mix like that - I was really impressed by the wide open frequency response (reminds me a bit of my Guild - after I put Darkstars in it), and the clarity/tightness of the low notes.  Now I'm REALLY looking forward to adding a Triumph to the herd!!!

Congrats on the Superfilter!  Those are neat beasts, and I bet the results with your synths, baritones, etc... will be impressive too...
Regards,
Joe

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« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2008, 04:40:38 AM »
Congratulations on getting a great bass.

gig report
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2008, 04:04:22 PM »
Sorry to commit thread-necromancy, but I played the Triumph "live" for the first time today, so I thought I would make a quick report.

For those that don't know, I am a Buddhist minister. One of the other ministers in the area started playing guitar, and he has been playing at his own (Buddhist) church. Recently he asked me to join him, so I got together with him to practice, and this morning we performed.

At the rehearsal I took my Guild Starfire I, but I noticed the case is more beat-up than I thought, and I've been having problems with the pickup being too high. So on the day we were going to actually play, I took the Triumph.

I had it set on the "2" setting, with the highs rolled off about halfway. For an amp I was using my PJB Suitcase. Playing with my fingers, I got a nice, fat, punchy sound. We weren't playing that loud - it was just guitar, bass, and singing. During "soundcheck" my wife helped me set a nice volume level, so I could just play comfortably and relaxed. I have roundwounds on it, and there is definitely some string buzz, but I don't think it came through the amp. I was using both pickups, and again, "punchy" is the best way I can describe it, kind of like a Jazz Bass.

One of the songs was an uptempo bluegrass kind of thing, and the other was slower, with long sustaining notes for the bass line. It excelled at both - the punchiness was nice on the bluegrass song, and on the slower song didn't interfere, though it added nice emphasis on the few accents I played.

I'm sorry that I'm not describing better - I wish we had videotaped it. But I will close with a cool story - there was a member there who it turns out plays blues guitar. Afterwards, he was like, "what kind of a bass is that?" I told him it was a Gibson Triumph Bass, and he said, "I thought it was a Gibson! But I've never seen one like that, even in magazines - it must be rare! What year is it?!!" He was really excited!

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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2008, 05:08:02 PM »
The clips sound great, but what ever you play there is no mistaking your sound. It all sounds very close. the tone reminds me a bit of what you used on the song Motorized Mammoth but a bit cleaner sounding?

It does sound punchy. Nice song once again.

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« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2008, 09:02:50 PM »
Quote from: Redbird
The clips sound great, but what ever you play there is no mistaking your sound. It all sounds very close. the tone reminds me a bit of what you used on the song Motorized Mammoth but a bit cleaner sounding?

It does sound punchy. Nice song once again.

Wow, you mean this one?

pure motorized instinct

That was the Melody Maker through the Z Vex Woolly Mammoth. Interesting...

Thanks for the kind comments too! I can't really help the way I play - it just kind of comes out that way!

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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2008, 09:42:07 PM »
Received a picture from a couple of weeks ago. A new (Buddhist) minister in the area plays guitar, and when he found out I play bass, he asked me to start playing with him, just bass and guitar and vocals for now. Once I took my Starfire, but I noticed the case is starting to fall apart, so I decided to take the Triumph. Looks great, case is small, and it's probably one of the most versatile basses I own. The only minus is that it's so heavy! It doesn't feel that heavy when it's strapped on, but in the case it feels like I have a bunch of bricks inside the case.

Anyway, the "gig" went great, we just played two songs. Before I go any further, here's the pic:



I used both pickups, on the bassiest setting. Plugged straight into my PJB Suitcase. I think I got a nice fat sound, I think the stage helped amplify the lows. I had it a little on the loud side because I wasn't going through the PA, but I think it was OK because with it on the bassiest setting, there are really no highs at all so I wasn't interfering with the guitar or vocals.

It's been interesting playing with this guy too, because it forces me to go back to regular "support" bass which I love but which I haven't had much opportunity to do these past few years. One song is kind of a bluegrass feel which is always fun, outlining the chords, the other more of a ballad with lots of long whole nothes, but fun too when the bass sounds right!

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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2008, 01:38:31 AM »
What a great way to do a gig. Is this going to be a regular occurance?

 

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