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Help me is this real has it been modified [ Gibson SG ]
« on: July 24, 2010, 09:56:04 PM »
I got this gibson from a pawn shop and i dont know if it is real please help. i have only one day to return it..
 

 
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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2010, 12:05:26 PM »
Certainly seems to be a real Gibson - and a beauty too. A 1980 SG, for sure, but not like anything in the 1978 Gibson catalogue, 1980 Gibson catalogue or 1983 Gibson catalogue - take a look.
 
But around this time, they were trying a lot of new (variations of) models - many of which didn't make the catalogues, so anything is possible.
 
i'll have a look to see if I can see anything in any of the other literature from this time - haven't seen anything yet.
 
It is certainly very odd to see such gorgeous gold hardware with just a plain headstock, so perhaps someone has modded a more basic model. You would normally expect to see some engraving on the tailpiece too.
 
Have you taken the pickups out to look at the workmanship below? Original routes are quite easy to spot compared to new additions. Also what is the wiring like in the cavity?
 
A very interesting (and great looking) Gibson SG for sure.

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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2010, 06:38:42 PM »
thanks a bunch jules. I did check the catalogues out. I will open up and check the wiring and pickups. I will also take pictures to post. The guitar plays like a gibson but i only paid $400 for it and that is what made me ? it..

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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2010, 10:56:33 PM »
ok i have the pict i couldn't tell any differance in any of the pickups the even have the same pat#

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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2010, 07:52:49 AM »
The wiring to the pots looks original to me if that's any help.

It would appear, looking at the circuitry, to have a volume control for each pick-up with the small blue push switch disconnecting one of the pick-ups from the output (probably the middle one).
Just one dual pot for the tone control, and I would guess the large toggle switch selects the neck or bridge pick-up, or both, in the conventional way.
Unusual guitar, but could be a Custom model designed for a specific customer who wanted an extra pick-up.

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« Last Edit: July 26, 2010, 10:11:52 AM by Repairman77 »
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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2010, 08:42:45 PM »
Having looked at the pics more closely I am not so sure about this guitar. However I can not make a definitive judgement based on a few photos. Only someone who has examined this personally could do so.
 
This is a Gibson, made in mid 1980 at the Nashville plant. The truss rod cavity, serial number and general woodworking all look like legitimate Gibson workmanship.
 
Except for the pickups, this looks like 'the SG' models available at this time.
 
What is up with the logo though. I can't tell from the pics but it looks odd to say the least.
 
The routing is very neat, which is a good sign, but I can see no reason for the uneven finish within the cavities. The centre one has no finish at all, suggesting it was added later (also adding weight to this being a converted 'the SG')
 
I would have a really close up look and see if a central area has been re-routed (or even partially filled and rerouted)
 
Three minihumbuckers and a (clearly non-original) tailpiece would conceal such a repair quite easily. I can't see for sure. Does the grain match up all the way across the body?
 
As I say the tailpiece is wrong - the filled stop-tailpiece holes are still evident. It is a genuine Gibson, and so $400 isn't a bad price, but I suspect this has been altered (and possibly refinished) although to what extent is not easily descernable.
 
You need to have a VERY close look at the body with all three pickups removed.
 
But despite all this, a really nice looking guitar, that I bet sounds terrific. I would have snapped it up for $400 in a second!

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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2010, 08:10:15 AM »
I saw the routed out centre pick-up hole looked different Jules but thought that this may have been done at the factory (to construct this special) at a later stage. Maybe done by hand which would account for it looking different.
However, other than contacting Gibson and tracing it's history, it would be hard to know; It could be a later mod by the owner.
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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2010, 01:13:24 PM »
Quote from: Repairman77;14267
I saw the routed out centre pick-up hole looked different Jules but thought that this may have been done at the factory (to construct this special) at a later stage. Maybe done by hand which would account for it looking different.

You could be right Mike - it was certainly a well performed route - none of the screwdriver chiseling/hacking that we so often see on modded instruments.
 
A close look should be able to determine whether this has ever had standard humbuckers in it previously (filled screw holes) or whether it has only ever had mini humbuckers.
 
Some luthiers can do marvels when it comes to hiding wood repairs - by matching woods with similar grains and then aligning the grains well. But I would not like to say either way without seeing the guitar in person

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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2010, 05:42:22 PM »
Yes you'll have to nip over to Las Vegas Jules; you know you've always wanted to go, LOL.

What makes me think it's come from the factory like that is the wiring; it looks original to me. Normally you'd have two volumes and two tone pots and it doesn't look as if anything has been changed. All the leads are roughly the right length and route nicely. I can normally see modifications a mile off; alterations always show up.

Mike.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2010, 05:47:54 PM by Repairman77 »
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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2010, 07:33:15 PM »
ok i uploaded some pictures with all pickups taken out and a few more of the headstock.. also how would i go about contacting Gibson and tracing it's history?



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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2010, 08:08:25 AM »
That's interesting; seeing the three cut-outs together. Obviously the centre one was done after the guitar was finished, which, if it was done in the factory, would indicate it was a guitar taken off the shelf and modified for a customer.

Not sure if Gibson would do a search for you. Some manufacturers like Rickenbacker do keep old records. Perhaps Jules will know.

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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2010, 11:32:07 AM »
Yes, the routes clearly show that the centre one was done after the finish. But I would say this is definately a refinish - look at the swirls (sanding marks) UNDER the finish on the back of the guitar. I am in no doubt here. So that route was done later. It is also somewhat different from the other two, also suggesting a non-factory mod.
 
There were two 'the SG' guitars - a standard, made of walnut, and a deluxe made of mahogany.
 
I would say then, that your guitar is a the SG deluxe that has been modified at a later date (it looks like mahogany)
 
Gibson customer service usually don't help with specific serial number look-ups, but occasionally they do. I know that some serial number data has been lost over the years, but they do have some.
 
try emailing service@gibson.com and see if you get lucky.

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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2010, 09:35:49 PM »
with it being refinished and modded outside the factory is it worth anything. I got this to play, and hopefuly pass down to my kids as a collector item.

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« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2010, 02:38:53 AM »
This SG looks to me to be a modified SG Firebrand that had two full size humbuckers. It may have been modified at the factory. :shock:

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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2010, 07:18:32 PM »
That SG Firebrand looks verry close. but it has a pick guard and inlays. is their any way to get more pictures of it?

 

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