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335 How old and how much?
« on: May 18, 2010, 10:00:39 AM »
I bought this gorgeous 335 from a friend a few years ago but can't work out how old it is. From information I've gleaned off the internet it's walnut so 69 or later, no "made in USA" stamp so pre 70, serial number stamped on headstock is 905540 which comes up as a 68. Any ideas? There's no way I'll sell it but I'd be interested in knowing roughly what it's worth. Cheers, Jon

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« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2010, 01:02:32 AM »
The first mention of a Gibson ES335 with walnut finish is in the June 1968 price list - So this could easily be 68/69.
 
The shipping figures are regularly incomplete by the way - it seems that pre-1970 they simply didn't keep such detailed records on finishes, just lumping them together in many cases. So pre 70 Walnuts  do exist, they just are not listed as such
 
One thing that was changing around this time was neck construction. Is yours a one or three piece neck?

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335 How old and how much?
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2010, 05:19:26 AM »
I would bet a 69 or 70.  They do away with the orange label in the early 70s too, and that still has one.  Funny thing about Gibson is that a year or so off the indicators would not be unusual, meaning this might have hit the floor in a shop a year after it was stamped.

As for how much, it is kind of hard to say.  The gorgeous finish to you is not very popular in the used ES market, and it shows typical age wear.  Dealers generally are asking in the $2000-4000 range for these, with higher figures for clean and unbroken examples.  Vintage sales are down though.  Private sale is less of course, but as they say on Antiques Roadshow, for insurance purposes think $3500.  To sell it you would imagine getting around $2000, maybe more, maybe less - and walnut finish is a harder sell.
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335 How old and how much?
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2010, 09:01:38 AM »
Thanks for the answers, confirms pretty much what I thought. Jules, the neck is a three peice and a "narrow" 1 9/16ths.

The valuation is for insurance purposes as I'm not expecting to sell it. The friend I bought it from passed away in February after twenty years of playing together so it's a treasured memento of that time.

The story of how he came by it is amusing. Jac had gone to a guitar shop and put a £200 deposit on a £1200 335 and went back the next day to collect it but another salesman had sold it not knowing a deposit had been paid. After much moaning and mumbling Jac got his deposit back and walking down the street saw this 335 in a general second hand shop so went in to have a look and asked how much. The guy working there had no idea about guitars so said £450. Jac in great suprise said "£450!!" so the salesman came right back with "OK how about £350". Even more suprised Jac said "£350!!" so the guy said "Well £300 but thats as low as I'll go". Jac walked out of the shop with the guitar and the rest is history.

Thanks again for the replies.
« Last Edit: May 20, 2010, 09:22:18 AM by principlej »

335 How old and how much?
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2010, 10:06:53 AM »
Wow, that was a bargain Jon; nice finish but sadly not so popular as the red ones.
Bet it sounds great. :)
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335 How old and how much?
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2010, 02:57:01 PM »
It does sound great now but when I got it it sounded "dead". It was newly strung with Ernie Ball 10's that were lifeless and seemed to go out of tune as soon as you touched them. I decided to restring it with Elixir nanoweb electric 12's (I use Elixir on all my acoustics) and the sound and feel were totally transformed. It stays in tune even with my heavy handed playing style and generates a sweet sweet sound.

I'd be interested to hear what strings others use.

I know the walnut's not popular but I prefer it to the sunburst and red finishes and I don't intend to sell as it's become my favorite electric.

335 How old and how much?
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2010, 08:14:53 PM »
Just had a reply from those nice people at Gibson. The age answer is:

"Thanks for the email.  The serial number 905540 shows an ES-335TD model that shipped from the factory on 2/7/1968."

All the info I've seen on the internet states that the walnut finish was not available till '69 so looks like that needs changing.

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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2010, 03:20:34 PM »
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