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help! i just bought a 64-5 sg, but i'm not sure what it is!

help! i just bought a 64-5 sg, but i'm not sure what it is!
« on: October 16, 2007, 01:57:00 AM »
hi guys, i just bought this -

1964-5 Gibson SG

i know it's lost a lot of it's vintage value due to faded finish/neck reset/missing vibrato/vibrato piece, but it looks like a sweet guitar to play. one thing's bugging me... i don't know what this guitar is!

the listing says custom, - my guide says customs in 64-5 were only white, and the lister doesn't think there's been a refin... so that means it's a special or standard right?

any thoughts much appreciated... i know i should have checked before bidding, but i caught it late - i'm left handed, these things are rare, i took a chance...

sache

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SG standard
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2007, 03:13:24 AM »
Hi sache - very nice lefty there

Yeah, its not a custom, but a standard as you guessed.

Differences are in the number of pickups (2 not 3)
inlays (crown not split diamond)
fret markers (trapezoid from 3rd fret not rectangular from 1st)
rosewood fingerboard (not ebony)
nickel parts (not gold)

You can see them side by side in this page of the 1966 catalogue

Bet it sounds fantastic whatever you call it!

help! i just bought a 64-5 sg, but i'm not sure what it is!
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2007, 09:40:15 AM »
many thanks for that reply jules - that's set my mind at ease a little - i know standards are worth more :)

but i can't understand why there'd be a custom tag on the top (see ebay pics)... it makes me worry slightly about its authenticity.

any ideas why this might be?

it looks like a sweet guitar whatever :) i can't stand those new looking vintage instruments - i'd be afraid to touch them. this one's beaten up real good.

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custom truss rod cover
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2007, 05:18:43 AM »
I would imagine that the truss rod cover is not original (the mid sixties truss rod covers are typically plain) - certainly the images in the '66 catalog have nothing on the truss rod covers. I suppose there is another possibility; as a lefty this guitar was ordered, rather than picked up off the shelf, and could therefore have had a 'custom' truss rod cover... I guess you'll never know... Gibson didn't really adhere to its own rules at any point

No need to worry though - thats a small point, and the rest of the guitar is looking good!

help! i just bought a 64-5 sg, but i'm not sure what it is!
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2007, 09:53:38 AM »
let it be known - you are totally wise jules.

i'll let you guys know how the guitar sounds....

The other guitar I've bought, which I'm even more excited about is http://www.gbase.com/Stores/Gear/GearDe ... em=1680817

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335
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2007, 12:43:44 PM »
That is a really beautiful 335

Absolutely love the walnut finish (i'm looking for a walnut EB2)

Tell us about your band? What are these fantastic guitars getting used on?

help! i just bought a 64-5 sg, but i'm not sure what it is!
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2007, 10:21:08 AM »
yo jules man,

it is a beautiful 335 - walnut is the best finish - too many people have the red! what's an eb2? are you left or right handed? good luck finding it.

i'll be using these sweet guitars in my band:

www.myspace.com/timespacerepeat and in a second band i've started up too with this guy: www.myspace.com/robertkennedysings

- so they're going to good use :)

by the way, i'm looking for a vibrola arm and vibrola cover/tailpiece for the sg... do i basically just keep  an eye out on ebay for any pre 65 sg vibrola? does it have to be an sg one? i'm not sure exactly what i need... .i know i need the arm bit, but on top of that, is it a cover or a tailpiece i need, or both?

like this?

VINTAGE-1962-GIBSON-LES-PAUL-SG-LYRE-VIBROLA-TAILPIECE


if anyone can tell by looking at the pics of the ebay auction description, exactly what i need, i'd really appreciate the info... i guess i could contact gibson and ask, but i expect a response like " we don't give advice on the old stuff, it doesn't make us any money"

thank god for forums :)

help! i just bought a 64-5 sg, but i'm not sure what it is!
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2007, 09:33:20 AM »
hey jules are you after one of these?

Gibson EB-2 Walnut

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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2007, 04:39:27 AM »
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yo jules man,

it is a beautiful 335 - walnut is the best finish - too many people have the red! what's an eb2? are you left or right handed? good luck finding it.


Yeah, walnut is leagues ahead of the other finishes. The EB2 was the bass version of the 335 - basically the same thing - lots of grain showing, but still nice dark brown, with lots of chrome on the front

Quote from: sach_160

by the way, i'm looking for a vibrola arm and vibrola cover/tailpiece for the sg... do i basically just keep  an eye out on ebay for any pre 65 sg vibrola? does it have to be an sg one?


There are a few slight variations - the GV19 which has no cover, the GV55 (yours) and GV75 - the same but in gold. They also came on firebirds as well. The arms are common to all, and reproductions are also available

heres one on ebay now

I think repro covers come up too....

Here's a page from the 1971 Gibson parts list showing the Vibrola parts you need


help! i just bought a 64-5 sg, but i'm not sure what it is!
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2007, 08:36:14 PM »
jules, thanks again man.

i'll look out for a vintage gv55 - i can't wait to try these guitars out! i'll let you know how they sound if i can get them back from the US in one piece.

sache

 

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